AnonMomAnon2

LOL

You know what? Good luck to the GOLD Base anti-Sci protesters in their bid to stop the Riverside County Council from making up a law that is similar to laws already on the books in other cities so a precedent has already been set!

GO GO GO, GOLD Base Anti-Sci Protesters! You're doing it just right for you!

Your tactics are awesome and perfect and just what you wanted for yourselves and I retract any negative thing I have said about you all.

Forseti

AGP did "ok" at speaking. He kind of stayed on target for the most part. It would have been nice if he had dressed more respectfully though. I can imagine that it is hard for AGP to not scream "CULT!" in that setting, so I give him credit for trying. He made a couple of valid points.

Who was the middle aged lady with the short brown hair without a mask. Was that Xenubarb? Anyways, she did a good job.

The girl with the mask was obviously very nervous and some of her views seemed somewhat skewed, but she did make a couple of good points. I give her credit for getting up there and staying on target.

Graham Berry did excellent. I am sure if he had longer than 6 minutes, he could have shined even more.

AO....oh boy.....he was so far off target. Did he think he was a a protest or something? All he needed to do is intelligently explain WHY the ordinance is a violation of our 1st amendment rights. All he did was bitch about the cult's practices just like he was at a protest. I know his intentions were good, but it was just aweful. He gets too excited and wound up and he has trouble thinking rationally when he is like that.

Anyways, at least they all showed up and tried. That's more than I can say for the rest of us who live local to Riverside.

fotoanon

Not Barb. But I will not nickfag her here. ;)

francie

Follow the law? The point with all this was to stop them from MAKING a law making it illegal to protest at Gold Base.

And the way I read it, there is no place to protest that is safe. Having a lawyer and/or County Supervisor "say" in a meeting that they "can" protest, doesn't make it true; doesn't make it safe for protestors. The written ordinance is the governing document. What was said at some meeting in the past is irrelevant.

I'll bet that Scientology will "let" protestors picket at Gold Base until there's a great big group of them... then they'll call the cops. And Scientology will let all the unlucky Anons and critics picked up by the cops hire themselves a lawyer to defend themselves. And Scientology will laugh their heads off at the "suckers".

Hubbard always wrote and said "If it's not written, it isn't true." It may not be a truism everywhere in the world, but the Scientologists believe it, and that's what they could have been using in this case.

[Scientologist to picketer] "Oh yes, little missie, you can protest right outside our gate. Come on up to the gate and protest. That's okay. Yes, come a little closer. Bring your little friends, too. Would you like some tea while you picket?"

[On the phone] "Er... Officer... there are these thugs outside the gate that are threatening us. There's an ordinance against picketing here and our religious fellows are frightened. Can you come on over and take care of it for us? You can? Oh, thank you, Officer." <click>

adhocrat

Intent counts in the law. If the people who passed the law says it OK, then a court would have to look at that as part of the ruling. And it would be highly appealable if not allowed.

But, here, you're probably certainly right.

Scientology as Personality Disorder

restim

Although cult stooge Stone and cult legal whore Alhadeff both assured the Board that there is some place that picketers could picket while still complying with the ordinance, neither of them could identify where that compliant place might be. Not sure there is much in the way of grounds for appeal until that compliant place is identified, which is supposed to happen Real Soon Now, although no deadline was set.

I don't think the cult is going to use this new weapon until after it is confirmed in six months, but one never knows for sure.

PAnonA

Eh... what?

TinyDancer

Just got copied in on this:

JFawkeson

If you've never heard of the, um... different opinions of Smurf, you need to lurk moar.

His name was Jett Travolta.

You know there is serious brainwashing in Scientology when it starts at free "stress tests" and ends at a fortified "castle" with arrow slits, surrounded by cameras in the middle of nowhere. --Oinkertron9000

PAST LIFE IMPLANTS BODY THETANS

imariscent

ok, now where do I sign? J/K

This is a well thought out letter. It explains exactly what I been thinking all along. Every news media should see, and read this out loud in their news room.

HALAPPIN' HUSSUS
I am not Anonymous, I choose to remain Anonymous, I am Anonymously Protesting
Anonymous-Anonymity: a person whose name and other personally identifiable information is not known.

Zander

I did lurk moar, but how do you explain HS giving away PMs? Some OGs have stated that HS switched sides before.

Your Mom

Let's just finish this by saying this is old news, already discussed to death, not likely to end anywhere good, and leave it at that, okay?

We don't need anyone else getting infracted for flying off the handle on this topic again.

JFawkeson

All I was saying was it wouldn't be a surprise.

His name was Jett Travolta.

You know there is serious brainwashing in Scientology when it starts at free "stress tests" and ends at a fortified "castle" with arrow slits, surrounded by cameras in the middle of nowhere. --Oinkertron9000

PAST LIFE IMPLANTS BODY THETANS

adhocrat

wrong thread

also cocks

Scientology as Personality Disorder

Resistance Is Futile

Yup. That alone makes it very worthwhile.

"We live in a time where people should be allowed to leave a group that they feel has done them wrong and not be punished for doing so." --BlownForGood

Resistance Is Futile

The RivCo supes were left dazed and confused, but Press-Enterprise columnist Dan Bernstein managed to get it right:

A Sticky Picket | Columns | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

(Me: Really? Their motto is, "Ready! Aim! Fire!"? How perfectly fitting.)

"We live in a time where people should be allowed to leave a group that they feel has done them wrong and not be punished for doing so." --BlownForGood

AngryGayPope1

It's come to my attention that for the moment the 50 foot limit on gold protests will not be enforced until more info about gold is in. I believe that when the location of residences in gold is determined we won't have a problem picketing there. We just need to stay in the area around the guard shack and certain other places AWAY from residences.

1. No targeting residences
2. No targeting individuals - shout "scientology is evil" not "Miscavige is evil" - "LRH died on psych drugs would probably be acceptable.

Now if the cult starts putting sleeping bags and chemical toilets in the guard shack or housing people in other nearby non-housing there will be an issue.

The politicians are basically doing what judge rico did in my ro cases. They are cutting the baby in half so to speak.

1. The scientologists make a stink over nothing
2. The politicians cut the nothing in half and give each side a piece of meaninglessness.
3. Protests go on mostly unaffected. So I can't protest at HGB bldg on hwd blvd LA. So what? I've just made a mess of things for them elsewhere like Gold and Winter Wonderland.

TomVorm

Just made the "front page" of the online LATimes.com:

Scientology opponents bristle at protest limits in Riverside County | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times

Scientology opponents bristle at protest limits in Riverside County
10:38 AM, January 9, 2009

Opponents of the Church of Scientology say their 1st Amendment rights are being quashed by Riverside County after the Board of Supervisors passed an ordinance requiring protesters to stay 50 feet from the property line of a massive Scientology campus near Hemet.

The ordinance approved Tuesday was fast-tracked, meaning it did not receive the customary second hearing, and was sponsored by Supervisor Jeff Stone, who said protesters had crossed onto private property and were infringing on the quality of life at the church’s Golden Era Productions compound on Gilman Hot Springs Road.

Three protesters showed up Thursday outside the gates and within minutes were swarmed by Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies in four squad cars. They were told they could not shout at specific individuals inside and could not block the entrance. Deputies also demanded the driver’s license of a reporter covering the protest and tried to interrogate him. A sheriff’s official later said that was inappropriate.

Church officials say they have received numerous bomb and death threats in the last month alone as protesters the world over have ramped up demonstrations against Scientology.

“It is my job to keep our people out of harm’s way,” said Catherine Fraser, director of public affairs for Golden Era Productions, which disseminates tapes and video for the church and has 500 employees. “We want to balance free speech with the right of privacy.”

Opponents claim the church simply wants to silence protesters and keep demonstrators out of sight.

--David Kelly

TheBitch

"Three protesters showed up Thursday outside the gates and within minutes were swarmed by Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies in four squad cars. They were told they could not shout at specific individuals inside and could not block the entrance. Deputies also demanded the driver’s license of a reporter covering the protest and tried to interrogate him. A sheriff’s official later said that was inappropriate."

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What differentiates protesters from the press when it comes to how "appropriate" it is/isn't to shake down people?

Anonychump

Oh, don't let it bother you! It's what they do. It's Scientology "backwardsthink" so, if they hate you ( for revealing their crimes) they call you a "hate" group. Look at 'suppressive person" what it really means is the exact opposite, a person they want to supress! In other words, backwardsthink, not just lies, but the complete opposite of the truth! And, I don't think you need to worry too much about this ordinance, another Anon already said on this site ( now removed) It's not where you protest, but that you protest!and, of course, WhyYouProtest!