An0nand0n

Hi Guys, I let Jim know about the next raid, here's the reply I got.

TL:DR: He wants to limit the length of time we spend there to 2 hours and remove the barriers as we no longer have the turnout to justify the cost.

What do you want to do?

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There were several conversations involved, not all might have recorded, but some have been:
The short clip Spangly took
This brief clip of YetAnotheranonymous

An FOI response about the policing of protests at TCR has been posted in this post: Post 83

An FOI request about the costs of policing, as well as an FOI request about sound levels might be made.

.... Developing

There is also a "flashraid" planned on Friday 21st of August
]

*Further Communication*

A couple of Anons have written in to his station prompting him to have a meeting with his Governor. The TL:DR is as follows

*Due to the lower numbers, there will be no police or barriers present at any future protests.

*The police will expect a protest of some form at TCR most weekends.

*Calls from scifags or others will be dealt with by whoever's on duty.

*Although they are not banning music, local residents and businesses may get the council involved if we continue to play it loudly Short bursts (rickrolls etc) are acceptable.

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I<3ChesleySullenberger

This is fascinating. What is protest?

Anonymous

Take away the music, knowing full well that it is difficult for a smaller group to fill several hours with chanting without it.

Then when it proves difficult to do so, meaning that other activities happen to fill the time, say that it is no longer a protest.

I see where thyey are going with this.

Anonymous

There has been media interrest in Saturday's bullshit so this could be forwarded?

Anonymous

Theres an article coming out before next raid. I think this could be forwarded.

Anonymous

Do eet!

Also,
I beg you're irrelevant pardon, who the fuck are you deciding what the acceptable components of a protest are?
Free speach means you don't get to tell me what free speach is.

Mutante

LOL faggot UK police can't process what to do unless baton charges are involved.

basil

1pm till 3pm?

No problem.

3pm till whenever we like? Random flash raids across the road from the Org.

Anonymous

I protest at his restrictions on our right to protest.

Why doesn't he just say - PROTESTS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE FUN!!

Anonymous

"Police now defining what is and isn't protest"

YetAnotherAnonymous

First, I.A.N.A.L. However I can read the Public Order Act, and so we need to look at the circumstances under which he can impose conditions upon protests.


From Public Order Act 1986 (c. 64) - Statute Law Database

14. Imposing conditions on public assemblies.

— (1) If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public assembly is being held or is intended to be held, reasonably believes that—

(a)
it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or

(b)
the purpose of the persons organising it is the intimidation of others with a view to compelling them not to do an act they have a right to do, or to do an act they have a right not to do,
he may give directions imposing on the persons organising or taking part in the assembly such conditions as to the place at which the assembly may be (or continue to be) held, its maximum duration, or the maximum number of persons who may constitute it, as appear to him necessary to prevent such disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation.

Nothing in Anonymous' behaviour could be reasonably interpreted as constituting serious public disorder, serious damage to property or disruption to the life of the community (although it would be worth researching if there is a formal legal definition of "serious" in these contexts). Neither is the purpose of the protest to intimidate (in fact, it could be argued that such things as fancy dress and silly music actively help to reduce any perceptions of intimidation).

What this seems to me is a police department trying to save money and manpower, and trying to utilise the provisions of Section 14 to do so - which to my understanding, they cannot do (again, in caps: I AM NOT A LAWYER).

Also, "Vocal, posters / banners and leafletting are the accepted components of protest"? Unless they can provide a legal definition proving this (and the onus is on them to do so since they're making this claim), then: uh, no. Freedom of expression means just that.

"It’s purely made-up. It just taps into some 'gullibiligy'. They find some film star or somebody like Tom Cruise or whatever his name is who's thick as two short planks and he becomes a sort of advertisement." ~ Richard Dawkins

Anonymous

Marching bands then? Marching bands it is. With kazoos.

Anonymous

You could go all "lawery" and start quoting from the statutes but also remember that you need to be friends with plod too, in some way. They could start being arses about it and vanning people for the slightest mistake rather than giving the usual friendly advice/warnings. So, somtimes it is all about compromises and bartering.

Submit your "bid". You may even get more than what you had before in some ways.

Just as an example (Not suggesting this for real. You can do whatever you want) .......

* Main protest hours limited to 3. No start time dictated, except perhaps with in a range of preferable start times.?
* Protesting on both sides of the street to avoid congestion. ?
* Protesting to be allowed directly in front of the org with no music on that side(with a specific limited number on the org side, say 4 or 5?) and limit the span to a pre-arranged distance either side of the org front.?
*One policer office on each side of the street or whatever you see fit.?
* No "picnics" with "street party" tables with cake (although one small card table may be required for leaflets storage and display).?
* No barriers.?
* Music limited to x? number of minutes per hour. Moar chanting and signs ... you know, like what they think a "textbook" protest is really supposed to be so as not to confuse the alleged concerned "public".?
* Avoid congregating several lines deep on the limited width of the pavement area (so as not to confuse the alleged concerned "public").?
* Flash protests with small numbers continue as they have in the past.?
* Also, cocks.

Anonymous

Invite the black bloc right now! Like 300 of them. Protests have become too nice even for the police.

Anonymous

"Be friends with plod" is not the same as "allow them to unlawfully run roughshod over our legal rights".

Anon-007

And on a different front, Anon is supporting the police.

Think about all the overtime the underpaid policepeeps are earning - and they hardly have to do any real work for it either (like arresting criminals, issuing parking tickets or strolling around in riot gear)

That's probably why the London plods are so nice - we are helping them to pay off their mortgages early ;)

Anonymous

[samefag from your quote]

Oh for sure, that is still very true. The last sentence of plods letter was particularly telling. ie the elements of what he thinks protest should be limted to.

Anonymous

DO NOT give into this.

The above extract from the public order act shows that it's illegal for them to impose such conditions (inb4 some anti-terrorism powers)

Also consider, if there ARE less than 20 people:

InternetHatMachine

We already have vocal, posters, banners and leafleting. In force. He can't say we're not just because we also have music and dancing.

not your personal army
always your /b/rothers

Anonymous

I say next week we have continous flash raid protests every night I work in london so i can get down there each night by 6:30ish to 7

Whose up for some flash raids next week?

Infact I'm also off work friday if anyone wants to do some raiding then aswell