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06-04-2008

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enronanonron

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Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow this

tl;dr US Department of Homeland Security denied Co$ request to use loopholes to bring in foreign Sea Org member to work for ABLE.

Excerpts from here:

http://www.uscis.gov/err/C1%20-%20Re...07_03C1101.pdf

Quote:

April 25, 2007

The Director, California Service Center, denied the employment-based immigrant visa petition.
The matter is now before the Administrative Appeals Office (AAO) on appeal. The appeal will be dismissed.

The petitioner is the mother church of the Church of Scientology. It seeks to classify the beneficiary as a
special immigrant religious worker pursuant to section 203(b)(4) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (the
Act), 8 U.S.C. § 1153(b)(4), to perform services as a member of the Sea Organization (Sea Org), a religious
order of the Church of Scientology. The director determined that the petitioner had not established that the
beneficiary's position qualifies as either a religious occupation or a religious vocation, or that the beneficiary
had the requisite two years of continuous work experience immediately preceding the filing date of the
petition. The director also questioned the nature of the job offer extended to the beneficiary.
...

According to a booklet, Description of the Scientology Religion, submitted by the petitioner, ABLE is responsible
for "[t]he bulk of the Church's secular social betterment programs," particularly four programs: Narconon,
Criminon, Applied Scholastics, and the Way to Happiness Foundation, the last of these being described as "a
program for improving public morality based on a nonreligious moral code."
...

The beneficiary's membership in the Sea Org does not give her license to work for an avowedly secular
employer while claiming immigration benefits as a religious worker. Pursuant to 8 C.F.R. § 204.5(m)(1), the
beneficiary must seek to work for a bona fide religious denomination or a bona fide organization which is
affiliated with the religious denomination and is exempt from taxation under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986. 8 C.F.R. § 204.5(m)(2) defines "bona fide organization which is affiliated with the
religious denomination" as means an organization which is closely associated with the religious denomination
and which is exempt from taxation as described in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 as
it relates to religious organizations.

ABLE is clearly connected in some way to the, Church of Scientology, and ABLE is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt
organization. ABLE's tax exemption, however, does not derive from any religious character. The
petitioner's own submissions characterize ABLE as a "secular" organization, and the IRS Forms W-2
establish that ABLE, not the Church of Scientology, employs the beneficiary. ABLE may take advantage of
its church ties by recruiting employees from within the church, and within the Sea Org, but it does not follow
that ABLE's employers qualify as religious workers for immigration purposes.
...

Because both the Church of Scientology and ABLE itself describe ABLE as
a secular organization, we cannot find that the beneficiary's past or intended future work at ABLE qualify the
beneficiary for classification as a special immigrant religious worker. The pursuit of secular work at a secular
institution such as ABLE is not a religious vocation, whether or not a given employee belongs to a religious
order such as the Sea Org.

I sure wouldn't want to be praying to the wrong piece of wood - NIN

06-04-2008

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megaphonebitch Cyber Terrorist Location: The Future	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi Interesting. How can we leverage this? My Alma mater was books, a good library... I could spend the rest of my life reading, just satisfying my curiosity.

06-04-2008

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googoomuck LOL	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi A HA HA HA HA Epic Fuckup!

06-04-2008

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highoverlord Member Location: Enturbulating your menz	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi ouch ANGRY SIGNATURE!!!! Have Cape Will Travel

06-04-2008

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tazor

Member

Location: With my baby daddy, Xenu

Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

They could just say they are working for Co$ and then put them over at ABLE. We need a mole to find out what foreigners are working at all the front groups and then find out where they are REALLY supposed to be working.

Scientology was just a joke written by hack science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. Xenu is the punch line.

Please! Don't get the fuck me out! At least let me be in the dome! ~Lily the Troll~

06-04-2008

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tazor

Member

Location: With my baby daddy, Xenu

Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

Like all those young girls they have cleaning rooms at Ft. Harrison. Did Co$ bring them into the country and would hotel maids, etc. be considered religious workers?

Scientology was just a joke written by hack science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. Xenu is the punch line.

Please! Don't get the fuck me out! At least let me be in the dome! ~Lily the Troll~

06-04-2008

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ANonScilon Memphanon Location: [Removed due to a copyright claim by Church of Scientology International]	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi Haha, sweet. Scientology Scientology Scientology Scientology Scientology

06-04-2008

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XenuLovesU

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Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

Oh, this is faboo:

It clearly demonstrates that they're full of shit when, to the public, they try to characterize their front groups like ABLE and TWTHF as "secular"... while, behind the scenes, they're trying to claim that the imported bodies they use as employees should be considered "religious workers."

BIG OOPS. Big, well-documented oops.

This info should be included in anything we put out that is geared toward showing that they're nothing but poorly veiled CoS fronts... and anything BUT secular.

How many imported bodies do you suppose are being put to work, illegally, in violation of their visa status? My guess: lots.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc

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06-04-2008

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enronanonron

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Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

More info from the same document.

What exactly is "the social mission of the Churches of Scientology"?

Quote:

In the request for evidence issued prior to the denial, the director instructed the petitioner to submit
documentation of payments to the beneficiary. In response, the petitioner has submitted Internal Revenue Service
(IRS) Form W-2 Wage and Tax Statements showing that the Association for Better Living and Education
(ABLE) paid the beneficiary $1,427.76 in 2001 and $2,800.84 in 2002. The IRS Forms W-2 show the same
address for ABLE and for the beneficiary, specifically {CENSORED}, Los Angeles.

ABLE's Employer Identification Number {CENSORED}, does not match the petitioner's EIN, which is {CENSORED}. Thus, the
Forms W-2 show that the beneficiary worked for an employer with a name, address, and EIN that do not match
those of the petitioning church. ABLE and the petitioning church are obviously separate corporate entities.

{CENSORED} states that the beneficiary "has been directly involved in the dissemination and promulgation of
the social mission of the Churches of Scientology through assistance provided to social betterment organizations."

I sure wouldn't want to be praying to the wrong piece of wood - NIN

06-04-2008

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XenuLovesU Member	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi fapfapfap This is good stuff. Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc

06-04-2008

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subgenius Member Location: Love Land	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi Awesome find, proving the internet will win. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.---Voltaire Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.---Napoleon Bonaparte My adversary is my benefactor--Anon What Would Ron Do?

06-04-2008

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Relyt Motherfucker	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi Does this mean that the government is no longer taking Bush's "Guest Workers" shit seriously? http://twitter.com/#search?q=scientology I can't wait to see how Herro twists this one!

06-04-2008

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enronanonron

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Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relyt

Does this mean that the government is no longer taking Bush's "Guest Workers" shit seriously?

No. There are several cases documented on US government web sites where scientology foreign sea org members were denied religious worker visas. US Department of Homeland Security does not appear to be a big fan of scientology.

More from the same document. Co$ submitted falsified document to the US government:

Quote:

The record contains copies of several certificates, including a "Sea Organization Contract of Employment,"
which reads, in part, "I contract myself to the Sea Organization for the next billion years," signed by the
beneficiary and dated March 1988. The contract shows a 1995 copyright date. In the upper left comer, the
words "This is a copy, as original was lost" have been added by hand. The director issued a request for
evidence, in which the director observed that, given the contract's 1995 copyright date, the document
cannot possibly be the beneficiary's original 1988 contract.

There are all sorts of interesting tidbits in this document, if anyone wants to read through the entire 6 pages:

http://www.uscis.gov/err/C1%20-%20Re...07_03C1101.pdf

I sure wouldn't want to be praying to the wrong piece of wood - NIN

06-04-2008

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holdemm Member	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi Nice. too late for a comment. ---- Charles Manson belonged to the Co$ for a while but HE QUIT because it was too weird for him.....

06-04-2008

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Ann O'Nymous

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Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

Quote:

The Church of Scientology has provided various documents and affidavits discussing the Sea Org. Upon careful consideration of these materials, the AAO is satisfied that the Sea Orgqualifies as a religious order,
and that its members practice a religious vocation provided they work for a qualifying tax-exempt non-profit religious organization.

Not good.

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06-05-2008

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enronanonron

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Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

Another government doc, where foreign Sea Org member was denied religious worker visa:

http://www.uscis.gov/err/C1/Decision...06_01C1101.pdf

Also, the following 6 statements by the US government were directed specifically to scientology:

VLL - Volume 19

Quote:

(1) The petitioner bears the burden in visa petition revocation proceedings of establishing that the beneficiary qualifies for the benefit sought under the immigration laws. Matter of Cheung, 12 I&N Dec. 715 (BIA 1968), reaffirmed.

(2) Approval of a visa petition vests no rights in the beneficiary of the petition but is only a preliminary step in the visa or adjustment of status application process, and the beneficiary is not, by mere approval of the petition, entitled to an immigrant visa or to adjustment of status.

(3) The realization by the district director that he made an error in judgment in initially approving a visa petition may, in and of itself, be good and sufficient cause for revoking the approval, provided the district director's revised opinion is supported by the record.

(4) Doubt cast on any aspect of the petitioner's proof may lead to a reevaluation of the reliability and sufficiency of the remaining evidence offered in support of the visa petition.

(5) Evidence serving as the basis of a notice of intention to revoke approval of a visa petition need not have been previously unavailable or undiscoverable.

(6) It is incumbent upon the petitioner to resolve any inconsistencies in the record by independent objective evidence, and attempts to explain or reconcile such inconsistencies, absent competent objective evidence pointing to where the truth, in fact, lies, will not suffice.

Church Scientology International, ID#3052, 19 I&N Dec. http://www.justice.gov/eoir/vll/intdec/vol19/3052.pdf (Comm. 1988)

I sure wouldn't want to be praying to the wrong piece of wood - NIN

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06-05-2008

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xenubarb

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Location: Area 5150

Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

"ABLE is clearly connected in some way to the, Church of Scientology, and ABLE is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization."

"In some way???" ABLE is right there on the corporate chart, reporting to RTC and being the umbrella organization for a bunch of fraudulent front groups such as Narconon and Applied Scholastics.

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06-05-2008

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voiceless849

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Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi

No need for a mole. I've been there.

WISE Int, ABLE Int, SMI Int, CSI Int, and ITO are all in the same building at 6331 Hollywood Blvd in Hollywood, right next to the capital records building. Everybody wears the same uniforms, everybody attends study at the same ITO, they all eat lunch at the main mess on the same floor.

Here's the building

Are they separate "Orgs"? Yes, technically. You are paid by your org, your org's stats determine if you get food or beans and rice, etc. But socially, there is NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL between them. People are transferred between the orgs with the same degree of indifference that you would transfer departments within a company.

The different orgs are just a shell game, but I can easily see why they'd forget that WISE and ABLE aren't "religous" because it's only different on paper. It's all Scientology, and if they were talking among themselves, they'd all admit it. (But when talking to you, an outsider, they'd be careful to say whatever they'd been briefed to say)

My information is about 15 years old, so it may be that they've shuffled the orgs around a bit. But make no mistake, CCHR is Scientology, the staff are Scientologists, they transfer directly from CCHR to/from other Scientology orgs and front groups. They all want to spread the gospel of Ron and are well trained in how to lie to do it.

It's not a hate crime to hate crime.

06-05-2008

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arithia Viper Lady	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi I'm tempted to print this off for protests. "See? They really DO have contracts like that, even the feds don't think they are binding." XD

06-05-2008

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XXXXXXXXXXXX Member	Re: Co$ tried to import foreign Sea Org for 'secular' purposes; gov't won't allow thi Someone should tell the people at VDARE.com and other immigration reductionist groups about this. They love stories about immigrant visa abuses.

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