Relyt

Remember all those times Narconon and Scientology spokespeople claim that Narconon is a secular institution which has nothing to do with Scientology? Then how come, on Nightline, did they claim that the purification rundown is a "religious practice"? Certainly the exact same practice they use in their rehabilitation centers is not the same thing as the one they use on Scientologists?

Anonymous

Good point. They can't have it both ways.

Maybe this is something we should harpoon the FDA with, along with every other group Narconon Int. lied to.

auchraw

I distinctly heard Tommy Davis say the purification rundown is a religious practice, and he ought to know.

This ought to be a good question for the next interview.

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Anonymous

Well spotted sir

Anonynamefag

I love Tommy Davis. He never chooses his words carefully. Everything that comes out of his mouth either contradicts something the cult said before, or reflects so poorly on the cult that he practically does our job for us.

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Suzette

I think they have this one covered, actually. Sort of.

It's the same practice, but it's not a religious practice when you're in Narconon. They don't call it the purif, and they don't use the same manuals. The manuals are almost identical, but they're different manuals.

It's sort of like eating bread and taking communion. The context is what makes the act religious. Sounds stupid, but I think they know enough to make the distinction for tax, funding, etc. purposes. They do similar stuff with Applied Scholastics as well.

This isn't a very convincing argument, but it makes about as much sense as claiming Scientology is a religion in the first place. It's a religion when they say it's a religion, and it's a secular self-improvement procedure when they say it isn't.

Belladonna

Edit - Suzette phrased it better than me. ^


Hasn't Scientology always been slippery on whether the emeter, purif, Study Tech etc are religious or secular? They just keep changing their story, and most of the time they get away with it.

It is nice to have Tommy on record with that statement, however.

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voiceless849

But history has shown them time and again in the past that they CAN "have it both ways". They are trained on how to lie effectively (something that Tommy Davis ought to revisit, IMHO) from the very get-go - TRs are one of the first things Scilons do - and use it every time they figure it might work to their advantage.

It's nice to see that Dateline has the stones to investigate Scientology meaningfully. And it was TOTAL WIN to see Tommy D throw his tantrum about a simple, non-threatening question!

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mrfyde

The E-meter also is only supposed to be used as part of a religious practice, but they still use them to give stress tests on the street to pitch Dianetics, and Dianetics is supposed to be non-religious. But nobody seems to care.

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Anonymous

If you go to scientology's official site for the Purification Rundown
L. Ron Hubbard - Purification Program
you can read lots of babble about mental and spiritual benefits, but basically nothing written about the purif being "religious".

Also, on the purif web site, there is lots of info about the "Drug Rundown", but very little info about the purif itself.

Relyt

Well, they seem to believe that the discussion of spirituality makes them religious, so they could probably use that argument.

Also, a lot of the links on the bottom either link to scientology.org or scientology.net.

Lightattheendofthetunnel

Excellent post. They've been saying the Narconon program is completely secular forever, now the purification program is "religious"? Which part of Narconon is NOT Scientology courses and the rundown?

Scientology insists on it's right to have it both ways. It is their "right" to scam drug addicts and their families as well as governments to the tune of $27,000.00 (paid up front for entry) a month for overcrowded saunas (5 hours a day, every day), mega niacin, vitamins and Scientology courses Ashtray: STAND UP, etc....

Narconon's program is medically dangerous and needs to be ended.

Narconon is ALL Scientology and their 75% success rate is a total LIE to scam addicts and their families who believe it's the best choice for a chance.

Canada has discredited Narconon, it's time for U.S. to wake up to this rampant fraud for Mother "Church".

BusinessBecky

Tommy Davis is clearly a pathological liar.

The Alphabets are after the CHUG and they want to have third dynamic all for their evil purposes.

WTF

There is a secular version of the e-meter called a "Lernac". It is used for word clearing in "secular" training colleges.

I did not look to see if it had the "religious artifact" sticker on it.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.

DeathHamster

What they'll say is that the materials make no mention of Scientology, they don't use an e-meter in the courses, and there's no recruitment for Scientology.

What this means is that they use exactly the same materials reprinted to say Narconon rather than Scientology. As for the e-meter, they may or may not use them with people in for the initial stay, but they certainly have them hidden away out of sight "for personal use". As soon they recruit people to stay as handlers for the next batch of raw addicts, then they're considered staff and out come the e-meters. They are recruited, it's just that on the surface they're being recruited to Narconon.

Somehow these tortuous twists to hide what they're really doing are supposed to be invisible to wog eyes, so it's extremely insulting if you point this out or call them liars.

Lightattheendofthetunnel

^^^^This^^^^ I've spoken with ex Narconon victims, drug abuse is rampant, security is poor, staff is poorly trained, 5 hour saunas, mega-niacin, vitamins and required introductory Scientology courses program is quackery. 27 grand up front for these "services" to Narconon and uplines to Scientology through a myriad of schemes.

The rest is Scientology courses, hanging out and getting high for quite a few of them is commonplace.

When some families and addicts figure out that the program is all Scientology bullshit, they leave and have to scratch and claw to get a dime back of the 27 grand.

At the end of the day there is the Hip, Hip, Hooray to a picture of L. Ron Hubbard for those who are taking the bait and helping or joining staff.

Anonymous

Relyt

Hmm, never knew about the LERNAC thing. How come no one's ever brought this up (to my knowledge) before?

DeathHamster

Nice find, and I'll bet anything that it doesn't have the court-ordered FDA label on the bottom.

The amusing thing is that it probably has more up-to-date electronics inside it than the (now) ancient Super Quantum meters. Someone from the FreeZone should take it for a spin and see if it does a better job.

Of course, a log attached to two soup cans would work just as well.