joy2world

Attention all former International/Gold Base Sea Org Members:

DM has his own team of DEPROGRAMMERS out in the field attempting to recapture and return you to his abusive control.

Their names are Marion Pauw, Hansueli Stahli and Mike Sutter.

They are all former failed RTC executives, some of whom have spent time in DM’s SP Hall at the Int base and have been witnesses to many of his abusive tactics for many years.

Currently, they are acting as DEPROGRAMMERS attempting to take away your freedom.

(This has been reported recently elsewhere on the web, but it is important that Anonymous know what is going on and why it is a danger to former Sea Org members out there and to help get the word out.)

Remember the many bad dreams you’ve had since leaving the Sea Org about having been returned to the Int/Gold Base and wondered why you are back there? Many former members have had them.

Well those dreams are becoming reality right now.

These 3 thugs are contacting former Int staff who were discarded by DM and thrown out of the Sea Org after years of dedicated service and making all sorts of false promises to get them to return to Scientology and rejoin the group, leaving behind their new found freedom, family and friends.

Scientology used to call people who helped family members recover their former brothers, sisters, sons and daughters from the grips of Scientology Deprogrammers and compared them to common criminals.

Well Pauw, Stahli and Sutter are no different. They are Deprogrammers.

Don’t trust them if you value your family, friends, and new life outside the grips of David Miscavige and his abusive behavior.

Here is a recent example of their criminal actions to put a real face to this story.

This is a photo of me and my friend Neel Smeed/Bogard/Lobato taken with my camera:




Neel is from Denmark and lives in Copenhagen. She joined Scientology and the Sea Org when she was a teenager in the early 80s. After awhile, she arrived at the Int/Gold Base and became friends with myself and my wife at the time. She was a hard working, dedicated Sea Org member who loved Scientology and helping others. She has a very big heart and if a very loving and thoughful person. Anyone would be proud to call her their friend.

After I left in September 1990, we lost touch due to disconnection policy that Scientology denies exists.

Neel stayed for another 14 years working in the Sea Org. During that time, she spent long periods in the Scientology gulag known as the RPF.

She was eventually sent to New York City along with her husband to work on renovating the new Scientology building. During that project, DM sent someone from RTC to New York and Neel, her husband and several others were sent back to California to what was known as the PAC Ranch to be offloaded from Scientology and the Sea Org. They were not given any reason why after all their years of dedicated service they were being sent away.

Instead, they were given $500 and some of their personal belongings and sent off in a U-Haul Truck, not knowing where to turn or what to do.

They ended up in the San Francisco area where her husband’s family, out of the goodness of their hearts, helped them get on their feet. Eventually Neel and her husband went their separate ways and she moved back to her native Denmark to be close to her family and get an education.

No one else in her family was involved with Scientology and they were glad to see her after many years. Neel regretted missing her family during those years and also regretted not having her own family (children) due to the strict rules at the Int Base of NO KIDS.

Her family was very happy to see her again. She started to go to college and get her degree, first in nursing and then in business accounting. She reconnected with her former high school sweetheart. She got a good job doing accounting work.

She began traveling and seeing the world again and reconnecting with her former Sea Org member friends who were also out and living their lives.

We reconnected during this time and became close friends. She came to visit me in Las Vegas with her boyfriend and her former husband and we also traveled to the Grand Canyon and other National Parks. Neel loved being in the outdoors.

I took this photo of Neel at the Grand Canyon last year with my camera:




She just recently got her own place out in the countryside outside Copenhagen and got herself a new dog who she loves dearly. Life in other words was looking good and she was enjoying her freedom.

Then a few weeks ago, she was contacted by DM’s Deprogrammers and asked to come in for a visit. Although Neel was out of the Sea Org, she still considered herself a Scientologist and believed in the LRH Technology.

Shortly thereafter, she began disconnecting from her friends in the real world who were former Int/Gold staff members.

What did these deprogramming thugs do to Neel to get her to turn away from her new life and return to the control of DM and his abusive practices?

No one on the outside knows. For many, they offer reducing their freeloader debt to the Sea Org and promise them they can get back on the Scientology Bridge and eventually their OT levels. In practice over the years, that has been a false promise. They will NEVER be allowed to do their OT levels.

Neel’s friends out here in the real world would like to tell her something if she happens to read this posting somewhere (she has in the past checked the internet):

WE, WHO ARE YOUR REAL FRIENDS, LOVE YOU NEEL! (Love- a concept not understood by DM)

We will welcome you back when you come to your senses and realize the mistake you have made. No hard feelings at this end. We just want you to come back to your life and be happy again. Being under the control of DM and any false or hollow promises made to you is not the way to live life. It is a trap and unfortunately you were pulled into it again.

DM will never let you get your OT Levels, if that is what you desire and he will discard you as soon as he is done with you, just like the Skoal Bandit tobacco plugs he would throw into the trash can after getting his hourly nicotine fix.

There are others out there being contacted by these Deprogrammers. They are using everything in their bag of tricks to get you to go back. Don’t believe them.

They are preying on the weak. DM will never come back after people that actually worked with LRH and know what his intentions were for the future of Scientology. I dare them to contact me. They won’t because they know where I will tell them to stick it.

So if you get a phone call from Pauw, Stahli or Sutter, refuse to see them and don’t get trapped.
Otherwise you may end up living out those nightmares so many of us former members have had since leaving.

It's okay to post this story on any thread on the Net. Please help get the word out.

Mark Fisher

bAnon

Thanks Mark. Keep 'em coming!

EyeOnSci

I'm wondering if blackmail is involved.

Sad state of affairs.

_You_

Well...there are DE-Programmers.

Those that remove the negative effects of CULT programming.





It sounds like these three clowns are RE-Programmers.

Those that reintroduce and reinforce the negative effects of CULT programming.

tazor

Oh God. That is sad.

Kha Khan

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Posted to ESMB with thanks: Warning from Mark Fisher - Beware Scientology Deprogrammers

ESMB has the audience that really needs this warning. Thank you.

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_You_

Basically, it's like the story of the Manchurian Candidate.

The RE-Progammers just post-hypnotically restimulate all the previous hypnotic conditioning.

_You_

Indeed but fear is a powerful tool for them also

_You_

This is truly sad, but it is not DM that drug her back, people working with and even for DM yes, but not him.

I first saw your videos when they went on line at the SP times, there is nothing about you that that I thought was not a likable person. But there are some real sons of bitches in that cult, and DM is only one of them.

The conditioning in the tech is what took your friend back and that is why it was able to be accomplished so quickly. I am sorry if that offends you if you still consider yourself a Scientologist. But it is the truth, and it is what the RE-programmers are trained in. Hopefully your friend will see your message and it will make her realize where her real friends are.

AnonMomAnon2

The most ethical people on the planet!

Here's hoping Mark's warning saves everyone else from falling into this trap.

I'd like to derail this thread for a second and ask a question. In many of these stories about the "good" Scientologists we read this line over and over: "such-and-such loved Scientology and helping people". Who do they ever help?

/derail

Ann O'Nymous

Do we have pictures of these reprogrammers ? Just in case.

Kha Khan

Cross-posted to ESMB. I'll try to keep an eye out for any responses there.

Smurf

I worked with Mike Sutter who was known for having a notorious temper & for being a bully and we all worked very hard to avoid being the subject of his rants, though not always successful.

As much bullying as Mike has had to endure from the psychotic dwarf and being in the SP Hall, and being forced to divorce his wife Cheryl... it's unfortunate he hasn't woken up to the real world yet.

WTF

So is Rohypnol





be careful out there

joy2world

Doesn't offend me at all.

But you have to realize that EVERYTHING being done along these lines is under the direction of DM. He controls everything especially in regards to anything he considers a threat.

The reason these thugs are out there going after people is to prevent them from joining law suits and government investigations like Marc and Claire Headley's Labor Claim and now John Lindstein's Human Trafficing law suit. It is plain and simply damage control for DM. He doesn't want these people joining law suits against him.

I agree with you that they are preying on the weak who haven't been out of Scientology for very long and haven't had the time like some of us to question why we were involved in Scientology and what happened.

My purpose in speaking out is to stop the abuses as perpetrated by DM and his OSA thugs. I have no intention of ever going back into Scientology.

I also believe that people can believe whatever they want. This is a free country. Just don't hurt people in doing so. Scientology has far out stories about the creation of man and this planet as does Christianity and other Religions.

Jonestown and Koresh are extreme examples of Christian beliefs under madmen. The Poligamists are extreme examples of Morman beliefs. Any abuse of human beings is wrong and should be stopped and prevented.

_You_

Need info on these three ASAP. Age, geographic location, etc. etc.

Thanks!

_You_

Re-programmers, a.k.a. implanters.

Scientology commits the same acts that it rants against.

That was actually more Socialist than Christian. But your point is a good one - cults can grow out of very varied backgrounds - there are even non-religious cults out there, and many may argue that Scientology is one of those.

_You_

DITTO, photos, any information, let's dox these cocksuckers! We have to know who to watch out for, and who to warn our exscilon friends to watch out for (I got ex GO friends....hopefully they won't be reaching that far back).

_You_

Wonder if one or all have infiltrated WWP, ESMB, etc boards, too, looking for prey.

_You_

AND the "believers" who populate Marty's fan club...