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Re: Who set up the C of S corporate structures?
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Re: Who set up the C of S corporate structures?
Michael, have you chatted with Larry Brennan on this yet? If not, you likely should.
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Re: Who set up the C of S corporate structures?
Link to his affidavit, which will give you some useful pointers:
http://evil.scientology.googlepages.com/crs.pdf (Ignore the blurb on the homepage...it's nonsense and factually incorrect) |
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Re: Who set up the C of S corporate structures?
Veritas
has some nice graphics, and notes on the lawyers (Lenske, Emory, etc) that help set up the shell game... |
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Re: Who set up the C of S corporate structures?
This isn't the page to which I referred, but it looks pretty useful:
This report suggests that the reorganization of 1981-82 was not merely a cosmetic endeavor to 'simplify' the corporate structure, as has been claimed by those responsible. It was, instead, a covert campaign to lay the groundwork for turning the existing missions network and satellite orgs into cash cows, using ever-increasing dues to feed a corporate nest egg under the central control of the upper echelon of the CoS organizational pyramid, including Miscavige, Pat and Anne Broeker, Norman Starkey and other top officials of the CoS. |
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Duh! (to myself!) I had seen it in the Brennan Affidavit. Discussing the 1999 Miscavige deposition re: Wollersheim. Brennan text in blue font.
==================================== "I was not involved in that restructuring, but I am aware of the events that led up to it. I shortly thereafter resigned from church staff for 5 years, as described later in this declaration". While I quoted the whole section above, the main part I am referring to is the next to the last sentence: "I was not involved in that restructuring, but I am aware of the events that led up to it". As we can see in Miscavige's own words, he was NOT involved in the corporate restructuring. Now look at the following link from one of their own web pages about Miscavige: David Miscavige: Resources on Mr. David Miscavige, Chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Center The sentences on that page I refer you to are: "Mr. David Miscavige has worked tirelessly to protect the religion. He authored the early 1980's reorganization of Church corporate and management structures which have given the religion years of sustained growth and stable leadership". |
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Can someone get a screenshot of that page and contact me? I think that this phase of Scientology is worth digging into, big time. Pls continue posting what you have. Thx. |
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It's from the document that Anon2487 linked you here... Quote:
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One of the links above is pretty accurate as far as it goes re the trusts/corporations involved, some of the reasons for the "sortout" and some of whom were involved. While it misses some important information and is incorrect in a few areas, it does contain a lot of surprisingly correct inside information. Steve Marlowe was indeed the mission ops of the corporate missions but he was in way over his head in that area. When Miscavige came to Marlowe's office to be presented the corporate planning for approval, I was the one who was brought in to explain it to DM and later to other key WDC staff as Marlowe (with no legal background) did not understand it well enough to handle their questions. I prepared the "CSWs" with the proposals. The only person involved who had a pretty good understanding of the legal aspects of that "corporate evolution" who was not ex GO was Lyman Spurlock. None of the CMO guys, including Miscavige, had any real legal understanding of it. They just knew what they wanted to do (control the funds, control all of organized scientology and hide the fact that it was being controlled centrally, hide the assets from litigants, etc.). Then they used their misunderstanding of it all to completely screw it up and totally violate the corporate integrity we tried to build into the system by Miscavige assuming complete dictatorial control over organized scientology, thus making a mockery of the corporate structure we just spent millions of dollars to create. The affidavit I recently wrote went into some small details on much of what was created in that corporate evolution as well as why it was really done. If you look at the second paragraph of section 20 of my affidavit you'll see my statement of how Hubbard and those who ran organized scientology often used corporate evolutions and religious cloaking to try to cover up for what were real problems created not by corporate inadeguacies but rather by lies, fraud or otherwise abusive or potentially illegal policies written by Hubbard. This corporate "evolution" was no exception. A tiny example that bears this out can be gotten from a Hubbard writing quoted in section 16 of my affidavit. That writing was an order from Hubbard in Sept 1979 to Sue Mithoff then in the CMO. In the affidavit I used it as an example to show how he used religious cloaking to get tax advantages and to otherwise make money. But there is something that I did not explain in that affidavit that also serves as an example of how these corporate moves are made to cover up things and avoid legal or financial liabilities. Read that order from Hubbard and notice how Hubbard talks about losing the $2,000,000 judgment in the Kristofferson case due to sloppy legal contracts and a connection to the Church of Scientology of California. This statement from Hubbard is utterly ridiculous. The Kristofferson case was lost due to fraud. The jury found organized scientology was guilty of fraud because they promised Julie that her eyesight and IQ would improve if she paid for and took scientology services. The fraud was false promises made based on Hubbard policy. Hubbard's above comments betray the fact that he refuses to admit anything wrong with his policies and instead is upset that there was not "adequate enough" legal and corporate maneuvering to prevent a $2,000,000 payout having to happen. It is utterly TYPICAL in organized scientology to try to prevent legal liability via corporate veils, religious cloaking and the like rather than address the root problem of having abusing, fraudulent and even illegal policies. And this is a good and simple example of that. To get one's wits about this concept at all one has to understand that Hubbard policies, no matter how crazy, were considered what MUST happen. It was not an option to change his policies. That would not be "keeping scientology working". Because some of the policies were so crazy it appeared that at times only corporate shell games and religious cloaking could allow organized scientology to survive and still apply those policies. Crazy huh? Scheeesch am I glad I am no longer there in that mind "f _ _ k". Again, the second paragraph of section 20 of the affidavit covers that concept with the Hubbard order in section 16 being an example of it. The other oddity here is that Hubbard was even giving such orders in 1979. He was supposed to be retired from his "ED Int" post and not able to give such orders. This 1979 order however was one of HUNDREDS he gave secretly. The actual main corporate sortout planning mission that I was on in 1981 that lead to all the corporate implementation missions (that I was also on) had actual current Hubbard orders relating to the corporate cloaking as part of the mission briefing. Feel free to email me at larrybren12345ATaol.com ("AT" representing the "@" symbol) and I will be glad to see what I can do to help you with your project. I suggest that we go private with any more on this though. Take care Michael. Larry Brennan |
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The link that LarryB says is "pretty accurate as far as it goes re the trusts/corporations involved, some of the reasons for the "sortout" and some of whom were involved....[though it] misses some important information and is incorrect in a few areas, it does contain a lot of surprisingly correct inside information." is this link from Doc Lil:
Reading the entrails - The CSI Report Happy hunting OTMike, hope you nail what you're looking for. |
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