Anonymous

There are a gazillion threads about Ideal Orgs, but no one has bothered to start collecting this data. The amount of real estate and the money involved is staggering, but it skates under the radar of IRS and media because there are less then ten people willing to ever compile data. The dollars, dates, and this Ideal Org fundraising scam needs to finally be exposed. We need a list or maybe a wiki page with all of the empty buildings $$ donated and how long they sat empty until the publics were blackmailed into renovations $$.

In addition to just knowing which Ideal Orgs even exist, it would be good to compile a list of what to do when the Ideal Org Campaign comes to your town. There is a very basic formula followed for fundraising.

There is a also lot of undocumented knowledge about getting info about zoning, building permits, grand opening road closure permits. They are basically using "chapel" zoning to shove in these mega-book stores and use slave labor to do the renovations which may not be to code. There is great potential for win, but you fags don't even know when or where they are getting the zoning approved, or bringing in this two week renovations. A lot more of these rush builds are planned this year.


tl;dr We need to get dates and intel on the Org below that DM is opening and also remind him of all the building they already bought that sit "Idle". Finally it would be nice to document how empty these new mega-million dollar monstrosities are after the band and the buses leave town.

pre-2007
Berlin, Germany;
London, England;
Johannesburg, South Africa;
Madrid, Spain;
San Jose
Los Gatos
San Francisco
Tampa
Buffalo [1]
New York City

From DM's "THE CAMPAIGN" video & New Years Event Press Release:
2009 COMPLETED
Ft. Harrison ($40 million restoration)
Malmo (Ideal Org)
Dallas (Ideal Org)
Nashville (Ideal Celebrity Centre) [1]
Rome (Ideal Org) [1]
Washington, DC (Ideal Org) [1]

2010 COMPLETED
Brussels
Quebec City (Ideal Org)
Las Vegas (Ideal Celebrity Centre)

2010 Ideal Orgs SCHEDULED TO OPEN (according to DM)
Pasadena (purchased for $12M) (current state)
Inglewood (possible thread) (pics of renderings)
Seattle ($3.7 million in 2005) (current state)
Harlem (bought for $10M in 2003) (pics of rendering)
Portland (can't afford renovations on $5.4M bldg, plan to sell and buy a new new bldg?)(thread)
Twin Cities / St. Paul Minnesota (purchased June 2007) (status)
Boston
Cincinnati
Mexico City
Tel Aviv
Melbourne [1] [2]
Sydney ($12 million bid to add two stories to bldg) [1]
Kaohsiung, Taiwan
a "newly constructed 375,000-square-foot Church HQ in Clearwater"(SuperPowah?)


*** From latest QC Press Release
IDLE ORGS FORGOTTEN ABOUT BY COB
(needs updated)
Atlanta/Sandy Springs (purchased in 2004 for $5M)(zoning not approved, currently suing)
New Haven CT (bought for $1.5M in 2003, saw pics of demolition)
Orlando
Columbus (purchased in 2008 for $2.8M ($2M from in donations), renovations $500k raised so far of $3M to $4M)
Kansas City (purchased in 2007 for $4M)
St. Louis (status)
Chicago (bought in 2007)
Detroit (purchased in 2007/2008 for $3.5M, $4M raised in donations, zoning approved) (thread)
Phoenix (not purchased yet, $7M fundraising goal)
Albuquerque (bought in 2007 for $2.2M, now being rented to some store)
San Diego (purchased for $9.8M? in 2007)
Santa Ana Orange County (purchased in 2006) [1]
Philadelphia (Pennsylvania Cunningham Building for $7.85 million)
Plymouth, UK (thread)
Northumbia (Gateshead UK) (purchased in 2007)
Manchester UK (chained & locked up, and no planning permission, 3 yrs since withdrew application)
Birmingham UK (purchased in 2008 for 6 million) (thread)
Toronto (needs renovations)
Montreal (purchased in 2007 for $4.25M) ($5- to $10-million for renovations) [1]
Kitchener
Winnipeg (do they have a bldg?)
Canada AO & CLO (purchased June 2009, renovate 190 acre retreat outside Toronto 159,400 sq. ft.)
Mexico Latin Am AO & CLO - Palmas Plaza in Las Lomas (bought mall June 2009 254,000 sq. ft.)
?Ascot Vale / Victoria Australia (purchased in 2007 for 7 million)
?Durbin Bldg South Africa (bought for 12.5 mil in 2007)
?New Zealand (136 Grafton Rd for 10 mil??)
Budapest (purchased in Aug 2005, monies raised for reno in 2006.. still empty)
.... many ....
.... many more .... (needs updated)




For the wiki need this stuff...
Many, many of these links below have these details like dates and dollars, but this effort keeps getting repeated and is totally unorganized.

===================RESOURCES=================
DAVID MISCAVIGE'S DREAM
2009 LRH Birthday Party (skip to TCR21:05) (12/2009) Ideal Org Campaign Video - Gotta See this shit **** (4/2009) Fundraiser using Ideal Org leather Special Edition Dianetics
(8/2009) New Ideal Org Uniform pictures
(12/2009) CoS Christmas Card for Ideal Org Donations
(12/2009) Ideal Org Fundraising Convention
(1/2010) OT Ambassador Program 2009-2010: Ideal Org promotion
(12/2009) Scilon Press Release with details of 2009 Ideal Org stats and dates


EXISTING RESEARCH THREADS
RHill's Scientology-linked real estates (same data in .csv)
RHill's Scilon Press Clippings timeline of org openings
ESMB thread on Org bldgs

(5/2008) Ideal Orgs and OT Committee websites
(7/2009) Ideal Org webpage URLs summary (need updated) ****

(12/2008) Ideal org scam solved !
(3/2009) Ideal Org and List of Buildings Bought And Are Still Vacant
(3/2009) Ideal Org buildings rough list ****
(9/2009) Call For Ideal Org Updates


PICTURES
(1/2010) Request: Miscavige present at opening of ideal orgs?
(4/2009) Needed Picts of Orgs (general pictures of Orgs)


GRAND OPENING THREADS
Dallas Ideal Org Welcoming Party (April 11, 2009)
Assault - Nashville Ideal Org Grand Opening Post-Raid
Halloween Ideal Org Opening in Washington DC - Postgame
Post Game: Quebec City Ideal Org Opening - 30 janvier 2010
Scientology pitch: "Thousands" attend grand opening of new church in Rome
Sweden: Harpoon Malmö!


Other gathered data (Ideal Org Grand Openings):
11/17/2003 Buffalo "a crowd estimated by organizers at 1,400"

4/4/2009 Malmo 72,000 sq. ft. "acquired, designed, renovated and opened in less than six months"
4/11/2009 Dallas 41,000 sq. ft.
4/25/2009 Nashville "over 3,000 guests" 36,000 sq. ft.
10/24/2009 Rome "more than 6,000 people" 69,000 sq. ft.
10/31/2009 Washington DC "nearly 3,000 Scientologists and guests" 49,000 sq. ft.
1/23/2010 Brussels "Nearly 1,000 Scientologists and their guests" 88,000 sq. ft.
1/30/2010 Quebec City "More than 1,000 people" and "1,500 Scientologists and their guests" 47,000 sq. ft.
2/??/2010 Las Vegas

Anonymous

So I'm hoping for posts where we can group data into something useful.

LAS VEGAS
Link to WWP Ideal Org thread: ??
Link to IdealOrg webpage: ??
Link to List of donors: ??
Old Org Bldg for sale/sold: ??
Link to listing/property record old org: ??
Link to listing/property record new org: ??
Purchase date: 10/??/2005
Purchase amount: $2.9M
Link to purchase record/news article: ??
Sq ft or details: ??, 3.71-acre parcel
Zoning or Planning submitted: ??
Zoning approved date: ??
Link to plans or zoning: ??
Renovation amount: $3M
Renovations start date: ??
Grand Opening date: 2/6/2010
Link to idle pics: ??
Link to computer renderings: ??
Link to finished pics: ??
Current status:
Notes:


(this might be revised.. looking for input)

Anonymous

PLEASE DO NOT PASTE pics and stuff in here. Go find the Pasadena Ideal Org thread and update that and only include the links in here. Don't want a bunch of pics and copy pasta.

For instance if someone wants to put all the info about Pasadena Ideal Org, just include status, dates, etc. and Here is what it looked like in December 2009

Anonymous

Final thought. It would be nice to document the lies by scientology on inflating the numbers for the openings, to show their PR machine lies about their numbers over and over again. Show photographic proof against their claims.

11/17/2003 Buffalo "a crowd estimated by organizers at 1,400" [1] (pic of opening)

4/4/2009 Malmo 72,000 sq. ft. "acquired, designed, renovated and opened in less than six months"
4/11/2009 Dallas 41,000 sq. ft.
4/25/2009 Nashville "over 3,000 guests" 36,000 sq. ft.
10/24/2009 Rome "more than 6,000 people" 69,000 sq. ft.
10/31/2009 Washington DC "3,000 Scientologists and guests" 49,000 sq. ft.
1/30/2010 Quebec City "More than 1,000 people"

eg. for QC we have (high res crowd) (PR photo) (newspaper shot) (PR shot)

Anonymous

You have "Twin Cities" listed twice - once for "2010" and once for "unknown/forgotten". I don't know which is the correct. Minnfags might know.

Kansas City is missing from the list. It was purchased in 2007, but I've not been able to find any information on when it's supposed to be open, so it needs to go on the "forgotten" list.

anonsoulless

its been entirely empty with no discernible activity since 2008

Anonymous

http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/Ideal_Orgs

Anonymous

Fixed: Ideal_Orgs

ravenanon

Sandy Springs Ga is on hold until the lawsuit is settled.

I can write up something about what ATL did to fight the rezoning, but I have zero wiki experience.


I'll look for the info on the org today and tomorrow

Want to Protest in ATL: http://Stopthecon.net/

Keep NC Cult Free: http://cultfreenc.org/


Still on the black horse ready for the battle.


Its time to finish the fight.


Drama is lame. Live together or die alone

Anonymous

Dear faggots. There are 13 Ideal Orgs to be opened after Vegas. Is it really too difficult to update the status on 13 fucking buildings? Why can't we find out what renovations are being done, how much money they still needed, and check for building permits for these buildings?

DM is winning the game because you fags are too lazy.

Anonymous

BUFFALO
Purchased new bldg 12/27/2002
Deed is in the name of CST
Purchased for $300,000
Renovations $1.4M
Grand Opened 11/17/2003 (DM was there)
"a crowd estimated by organizers at 1,400"
"volunteers from around the globe to repair and restore the building"
Buffalo Scientology Info

Anonymous

TWIN CITIES/ST. PAUL

as of a week ago, otherwise no change

ChefXenu

Added property info for the Cbus idle org to the wiki

Anonymous

Just a warning, I created the "Ideal Org" tag less than two weeks ago. That means I will have backward-tag all news items related to Scn's Ideal Org stuff. The way I do this is each I review the "On This Day" items of the day and ensure the tags are up to date. This means it can take over a year before a search of "Ideal Org" returns a complete and accurate list of all news items related to "Ideal Org." In the mean time, using "Real Estate" is recommanded -- of course you will have to determine whether the item has anything to do with "Ideal Org":
Scientology library: “Real estate”

Yes, acquired Feb. 2008 (one of those nice historical building):
33 Princess Street
Winnipeg MB
Canada
aka "Peck Building"
Scientology-linked real estate: 33 Princess Street Winnipeg MB

ZeLyt

I'm sure the other Nashfags will have more/better information, but we know that for the Nashville Ideal they spent 6 millio justn to buy the building and we have intel that they did some MAJOR renovation on top of that. I think it was worth 1.5 1.8?


EDIT: Sauce found:
http://nashville.bizjournals.com/nas...3/daily61.html

Zhent

Sydney Org
Purchased November 1979 for $800000, opened December 16 1979
There has been much back and forth over the years on whether the Sydney Org would be upgraded to the Ideal org, or if they will buy another for the Ideal.

The original 'upgrade' proposal (D/2007/580) was submitted on 4/4/07 with an estimated cost of $11,825,000. This was withdrawn a few months later, probably after they realised they couldn't afford it. After much of the back and forth, a new proposal (D/2008/1991) was submitted 17/11/08 and approved 1/6/09, surprisingly for a higher estimated cost of $11,964,272.

In July 2009 things finally got serious when they shut down the building and moved to a 'temp' org down the road, they claimed they would be back in less then a year.

8 Months later and no work has been done on upgrading Sydney Org to Ideal. From leaked emails we know its been 8 months (8 years really...) of hard regging.

Curiously enough I found out that the amount of money to be raised has dropped, later in 2009 the amount needed dropped from $12mil to $8.5mil (12 seems to be the 'public' figure), and also at that time they had $2.25Mil left to raise, although this number seems to bounce around a bit depending on the source.
From the latest leaked emails we are informed renovations are due to start on the 15th of March this year, although they STILL have not finished raising the money.

Pics and futher reading - Update on the Sydney Ideal Org situation - Ex Scientologist Message Board

SydneyAnon - My Pics and Vids

Anonymous

LAS VEGAS
Ideal Org and Ideal Celebrity Centre
near the corner of Eastern and Emerson
June 2005 fundraising began [1]
October 2005 purchased for $2.9 million (36,845 square feet on 3.71-acre parcel)
another $3 million on renovations
zoning/ plans approved in June 2009 then Martin-Harris Construction began construction
(renovations were supposed to be done by Nov 2009) (pics of renovations)
opened 2/6/2009

Scientology ups profile
"will keep their building on East Sahara Avenue near State Street and may use it for administrative purposes, Calley said."

"During neighborhood meetings, Giunchigliani said, only a few nearby residents expressed reservations. Residents mostly had other types of questions, the typical ones about parking and the renovated building’s height, Giunchigliani said."

(Aug 2009) "three Scientology representatives also met with Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman and Las Vegas City Councilmen Gary Reese and Steve Ross to talk about their expansion plans and, Calley said, to introduce them to the church’s anti-drug and human rights programs."

Anonymous

Found this on a scilon Freedom Mag website from 2009?
ww.freedommag.org/Building_for_the_Future_of_The_Scientology_Religio n

Anonymous

Interesting facts from the LRH Bday fundraising race. Please if any of you OG have emails, please copy pasta them for the Jan & Feb data.

Ideal Org fundraising LRH Bday game - Know who is winning the race?

"Seattle and Pasadena now completed with their fundraising"

Sacramento -- "putting on an event this weekend that nailed $1.2 million in cash & pledges, with a healthy chunk of that coming in this week. They are have Ron's Birthday in their sights for their completion date, the next org fully done!"

Anonymous

RENDERINGS FOR IDEAL ORGS
Atlanta
Auckland
Boston
Brussels
DC
Manchester
Melbourne
Pretoria
Rome
St. Louis
Sunderland
Tel Aviv
Winnipeg