Protesting tinderbox. Whatever your opinion is this video is intensely telling of the peoples frustration with the federal government.
Despising corruption and abuse of power crosses political lines, but does not eliminate them. The feds pulled back today in the face of an enormous number of protesters. A victory, but how long will it last?
Only because independant media online exposed Harry Reids sweet deal with the Chinese to buy the land in question for business commerce. And surprise, as soon as the news went viral, the Feds pulled out. That used to be the practice to avoid pregnancy, pull out before your happy ending. So Bundy's lucky, but rape is still rape even if you don't knock somebody up.
People need to wake the fuck up... get their heads out of their cell phones, and pay the fuck attention. Same thing with the bullshit of holding people's tax returns back because of some dead relatives failure to pay back federal funds they deemed undeserving of. A sneaky law they passed and is now coming to light. Whatthefuck. So, if my grandma was getting social security and they paid too much, and they just figured it out now, 10 years later, they're gonna keep my tax refund, because I am her only living relative. Funny I don't remember agreeing to be responsible for my dead relatives debts, any more than Mr. Bundy agreed to let Harry Reid confiscate his cattle and grazing lands.... it's getting ugly in the land of (Harry's) opportunity.
*note to American government leaders ... "sow the wind, reap the whirlwind." You go too far, you are gonna wake a sleeping giant. It won't be a little ripple of protest, it will be a tsunami of anger that will ignite the flames of annihilation under your feet. Ask Britain how that happened, back when we were just colonials. Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
But they have been breeding us into Sheeple for at least a generation now. The majority buy the pap handed out. A new American revolution is pretty much a dream of the few. Sad.
That's what Europe thought too.. revolutions were a thing of the past... with the financial shenanigans going on in the rest of the world, the poor economy across America, the entire world is a tinder box just waiting for the right match to set it off. The US is so busy sticking it's hands up everyone elses asses, the veil is slipping. Americans are sleepy, overfed, and content with their fascination of the entertainment industry. That doesn't mean they can't be pissed off. Leaders get complacent thinking they can do whatever they want, until they slip over the line, and once you wake the giant, it's damn hard to settle it down again without casualties. The same pap that keeps people blind, also gives the government a false sense of entitlement. It only works as long as the balance is right. There've been quite few slips lately, and they're picking up in frequency. Don't count us all out yet.
A lot of generaliztion up thar ^^^ but i like basics of it The trouble is with complacency is, it is very subtle, when you have everyone running around for their lives, many in panic and desperation too, it is easy to overlook the infrastructure keeping it together, until it fails, usually badly. imho.
My dream is that you are correct. But I do not want a bloodletting. It is so frustrating that people cannot see the path we are on. No matter which way it goes, it cannot end well.
The federal government has become a terrible machine that no longer represents the will of its people. We are all over the world pushing our noses in places it doesn't belong, fighting proxy wars, printing money from thin air, and on and on and on. There is a real and tangible need for a revolution. Not the "let them eat caek" kind. A revolutionary change of thought in our general public. We need our constitution to be followed as intended and not cherry picked for what suits the here and now. State rights and sovereign governments are very much at risk in this current train wreck we call the United States. The federal government was never intended to be run by elitist pukes who become drunk on power and wealth. http://benswann.com/lofti-who-actually-owns-americas-land-a-deeper-look-at-the-bundy-ranch-crisis/
Armed, organized fighting will only put fascists in power --bossy people who think they know best. Your memes, “proxy wars” and “printing money from thin air,” smell like Alex Jones. He is a PR hack supported by far right people in our intelligence services. Some of those people are both nuts and ambitious. Also rich and politically powerful. Since the US was founded, every generation has made things a little better in certain ways compared to the generation before. This is encouraging because historically, enduring governments have not enjoyed so much progress in so short a period of time. We have messes to solve. Most won’t be solved within our lifetimes but we can make things a little better for the people being born today.
What i do not understand about the whole bundy ranch thing, is why they did not handle this in the courts. A federal lien on the property would handle the situation nicely, and be MUCH cheaper then this retarded nonsense. That would be a very ugly op, mass complaints to WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE: https://www.opm.gov/our-inspector-general/report-fraud-waste-or-abuse/ They have a responsibility to the American people to be cost effective, the man hours for this standoff, on a weekend, are just absurd.That is just the surface. this is the type of OP that would get people FIRED. This is how you handle situations like this, yet no one does a thing, no one reports to the people in charge of oversight. They need either a public complaint, or an official request for inquiry in order to investigate these messes. They can not do it on their own, congress made sure of that.
Here’s the first thing my Googles gave me that was not RT: http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610 This family has been fighting grazing fees since 1993? I am sorry but they are costing the US taxpayers a lot of money. The fees help to defray the costs of the BLM, which we want because we want those Federal lands monitored and protected from illegal use, like illegal dumping and building and drilling. This Bundy family probably could pay the fees because they have a fairly large cattle operation that must be supported by some serious capital. tl;dr: NYPA
Me either. However, and if I heard correctly but I have doubts, the owner of the land basically said that he didn't go that court route because he figured the feds would win regardless of how much he was in the right. He's probably right but you don't know unless you try. Now I did hear that he asked the protesters to not wear camo or bring guns because he didn't want the protesters to give the feds any excuses to start a fight. Smart move. He also said he had no problem paying money. His issue was that he felt the feds were not the ones to pay. That leads me to think why the feds are even involved in this to begin with? This is a waste of taxpayers time and money for what amounts to nothing of significant value.
Don't be so sure of that. Ranching and Farming isn't a money maker like it use to. I live smack dab in the Midwest states and most of the old farmers and ranchers here aren't big money people. Most barely squeak by year to year and some are on the verge of collapse.High gas and feed prices during the drought the Midwest had has caused a lot of economic harm that they had to pass to consumers in the form of higher prices for food/milk. I honestly do not have enough empirical info to decide who to root for. However, I can say that saying farmers and ranchers can pay fees easily based on the number of crops/animals they have isn't necessarily true.
Its why a federal lien was the correct option. Government: You wont pay the fees, then we will put a lien on your land for 1 Million dollars. Bundys : DERP oh noes, not our land, can we make payments on this lien? Government: yes. You even get to use your land, you just can't sell it until you pay off the lien AND we will take your tax returns each year until its payed off, along with a bunch of other nasty shit until you pay it off/enter a payment plan. The whole thing would have taken a week to do. And that's with the bureaucrats being lazy. IT can also be negotiated in court. This whole thing was stupid. Its why if the auditor generals office gets notified, people will lose their jobs.
Feds and cops are normal people, but with a sick perspective and better weapons. They can always and do back down in some situations fortunately. This is an example.
It is possible the BLM are being too heavy handed. But I’m seeing the Bundy’s working hard to be oppressed victims. Like, “She has cancer and you threw her on the ground!” Then calling for an ambulance to take that woman who is perfectly well to the ER? Please. If the Bundy’s want my sympathies, they have to explain why they have had a conflict with the BLM going back to 1993. Instead I just get drama without a frame of reference. My guess is the Feds have equipment there for putting up a fence and the family is trying to stop that.
I went looking for info about the 20 year conflict between the Bundy’s and BLM before the present kerfuffle but the going is tough. 17 pages of Google results, all very excited OMG police state! stuff with a peppering of opposition views that seem like parodies, then a forum discussion that seems to give a little background but who knows: http://ranchers.net/forum/about69847.html It does seem that Mr. Bundy said things that implied armed resistance to BLM taking cattle (I guess the Feds can recover some of the debt by selling cattle). That’s why the guys had flak vests and sidearms. So it’s a bit of a spin to blame the BLM for making those preparations for their own safety. If some old rancher said he’d do “whatever it takes” to stop me doing my job as BLM, I’d want a vest on and a weapon also.
Never been to infowars before. Dunno it they are moonbat or not. "BLM attempted cover-up of Sen. Reid/Chinese gov’t takeover of ranch for solar farm" "The Bureau of Land Management, whose director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations. Deleted from BLM.gov but reposted for posterity by the Free Republic, the BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”" http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/ Edit: Moonbattery thrives in the comment section.
I’ve heard those desert solar farms have a lot of issues that need to be examined and discussed before they’re pushed through. For one, they use an oil cooling system that can be a hazard if there are leaks or fires. They are expensive to set up and the panels age. They take up a fuck ton of land and disrupt habitats. Not that any form of energy is perfect. Just it is a mistake to think solar is awesome without knowing all the details. If the BLM are changing their game to repurpose the land for some solar farm deal, that is important. However, it doesn’t explain why there has been some hassle over grazing fees going back to 1993.
Yes, Alex Jones and info wars would be moonbat central. I wasn't basing this thread or my opinion on those sources. I just felt the video is powerful and telling of government bungling. They love to roll out the show of force when a court room was the better option.
Let's see ... 1. My family used to own this land. 2. Therefore, I'm entitled to use it as though my family still owns this land. 3. Profit. 4. Buy more guns.
I don't know who to side with here, i just don't feel that the federal government needed to roll in and start pointing guns at people. States rights is all I'm saying.
He told them to leave because he knew what these idiots would do. Idiots being both the moonbats and the feds.
All i can say is wow! This shit got out of hand and some folks WANT an armed conflict with the government. These moonbats jumped at a chance to stir shit. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...enanmen-Square-fight-disputed-ranch-land.html
We have been seeing a lot of videos of sympathetic citizens facing off against law enforcement nearly losing their shit. Looks to me like a PR operation, particularly when the incident comes with 17 pages of Google hits all saying the same thing. People on a political PR mission are not above staging outrage. They make friends with sympathetic cops willing to get just pushy enough to raise some eyebrows. A warning in a personnel file might be a small price to pay for the Cause. Beware stuff that comes at you that is all about making you mad without helping you understand the basis of the conflict. Don’t buy that “the Feds” are cruel tyrants. Those guys in BLM uniforms might go to the same church as the Bundys. Everybody is us, basically.
That is because all of those gun-toting, right wing, militia niggers are: A few jets, a few sidewinders, some napalm and a few mins and all this would have been fixed. Fuck them.
Obviously an armed confrontation will excite greater paranoia amongst our private militias. We need to educate these anti-Federalists if possible. If not possible then we are all fucked because we can’t just kill them and there are a lot of them. I looked up some stuff on the bastards responsible for this horrible mess, the desert tortoises. This Wikipedia article has some “citation needed” parts:
Private militias are, generally speaking, the most paranoid group of moonbats this side of the moon. Anything, and I mean anything, that rustles their jimmies in the slightest causes them to go full retard and believe the Feds are out to get them. See below for a thorough analysis. Then kiss your anal virginity good bye as we are indeed fucked. Most Militia members fall into four distinct categorizes of moonbat fuckassitry: 1) Old Bats. These people are generally in the 60+ category of age brackets. In this point and time, re-educating them is impossible as they are set in their ways. they also got years of reasons not to believe in changing their ways (Communist threats, Civil Rights going against their beilefs, etc.) Odds of education: 0% Too set in their ways. 2) Tit-Sucker Bats. This kind of person has been raised by an Old Bat, probably in private isolation as schools are, you know, commie plots or whatever shit got their dick mangled. Anything "Outside" their little world is met with bias and ignorance as that is all they know. Odds of education: 50% There maybe a chance if they can be shown the world doesn't revolve around their POV or that the world doesn't fall off into oblivion outside their hometown. 3) Barking Mad Bat. This is the person who you've got to watch out for. These people believe radical bullshit ideas like only white men should have constitutional rights or anything Republican/FOX News/Rush Limbaugh or any dipshit conservative radio/TV show says/does is the word of Jebus and anybody who shows the slightest objection is a commie socialist ad hom right wing shit here. These are the people that could end up pulling a Ruby Ridge/Waco mass an hero in order to be martyrs for some delusional cause or belief. Prime examples of Barking Mad Bats are the KKK and Aryan militias. Odds of education: 0% if no drugs are used or the bat refuses to take drugs for deeply rooted mental illness. 75% depending on how strong of anti-psychotic drugs you can get them on. Voluntary or Involuntary is not relevant. 4) Weekend Bat: These are bats who are less entrenched into the ideologies of militias and while they do agree with it, are not willing to commit their lives or go full retard. In a situation, they will drop the militia and surrender if it means an heroing or going to jail. After all, little Timmy has a play on monday and Pinko Vodka Guzzlers can wait for that to be over... Oh, wait. Got to pick up Miss Bat's dry cleaning Tuesday. Odds of education: 75% to 99.9999%. Best remedy is introduce them to a new hobby... or hookers. Cute. Now we need a Tortoise thread.
90% drop in numbers since the 1980s. 50% drop since 2000 Used to be hundreds per acre; now maybe a dozen. Disappearing right before our eyes. The tortoises create burrows used by small mammals and birds. So the tortoise losses impact multiple layers of the desert ecosystem. YouTube comments on this vid: I think the property that the Bundys use for cattle grazing is owned by the Federal government. That means the property belongs to all of us US fags, in a sense. It’s part of our heritage as Americans and hopefully it will be there for future Americans. It’s up to us, as citizens, to decide how best to use that land. That’s why we have the Bureau of Land Management to implement the policies of our government. So when people argue that the land will be stolen or sold for mining rights, I don’t know what they mean. Maybe the Federal government would lease the land to some big company to put up a solar project or to mine whatever. But I’m not sure how those industrial uses would overcome concerns about the desert tortoise going extinct. I know we need energy, but maybe there are better ways. Seems to me that solar panels on the roofs of existing buildings out in the desert might be one way to get some of the benefits of solar without damaging the environment. The people who say, “who gives a damn” about a species going extinct really break my heart. I don’t know what to say to those people.
Oh yeah, it is an election year. Nothing like ecomoonbats vrs 2nd amendment moonbats vrs corporate moonbats vrs the over stimulated masses. Fuck man, why is this an issue? Op is correct in the term ”tinderbox".
The short answer? The Republicans want to inflame people with this "ZOMG! The Fedz are turk err lunds! Harry Reed!" shit. The Democrats want to inflame people with this "ZOMG! The Ranchers are turk err turtules! Guns!" shit. However, it is more of the Old, Weekend, and Tit-Sucker Bats that are pushing this issue. The Barking Mad Bats are just using this time to spread their delusions and bullshit. Per usual. Meanwhile: Most people don't want to side until they get facts. A hard task since most news outlets are very casual about this save the ones pandering to moonbats. Franky, I don't give a shit either way until I get facts from unbiased and reliable sources. Just as long as nobody does something massively fucktarded stupid and this suddenly escalates into another Waco, Ruby Ridge, or any other mass casualty debacle. It is only a tinderbox if either side blows their wad first and does something stupid. Otherwise this is just a minor distraction being hyperbole and grossly exaggerated by both sides trying to gain support.
