Historical Research On The War Between The States (contains graphic images)

Yes two assistants of Alexander Gardner did indeed drag him up to that spot for the photograhph and he was photographed at other places around the battlefield.

This is the same body in another place in "Devil's Den."

EDIT: with Alexander Gardner's prop gun as well.

Yes this was his way of getting back at lee.

I can't even begain to phathom how Mrs Lee felt when she saw Arlington for the last time after the war.

And just as a side note they pulled up her rose garden and buried the union dead in it.

This photo was staged as well Random Guy.
(The rifle was added in)
That was Alexander Gardner's Prop gun.

This is a very good film on the subject of death during the war.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QUkTsCvJgupkBxfEjvM4o_A&bvm=bv.80120444,d.eXY

A little bit of info on Alexander Gardner.

Never saw that one, thanks for posting!

Your welcome Rand.

Here is some more for you.




Bealeton, Virginia. Company C, 93d New York Infantry. Date Created/Published: 1863 Aug.



Petersburg, Virginia. Mills. May 1865



Richmond, Virginia (vicinity). Camp Lincoln. Date Created/Published: 1862 June



James S. Dodd, Private, Company C, 4th South Carolina Cavalry


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• Battle of Fredericksburg
• Virginia

Views in Fredericksburg, Virginia, showing destruction of houses by bombardment on Dec. 13, 1862



Richmond, Virginia, looking westward. LOC Summary: Bird's-eye view. Date Created/Published: 1865 .

Here are the photographs that Alexander Gardner took when he was there at Gettysburg.

Confederate dead at the foot of Little Round Top.

More Confederate Dead

"A harvest of death"

Mod Edit: Pics removed as NSFW.

pictures of dead bodies.... meh, wtf has to do with.... meh.

The stupidity....

yup.

They relate directly to the topic and are in black and white. I say let them stay.

As for the video that Ogsonofgroo posted it doesn't have anything to do with the topic.

That kinda makes me want to change the theme to the civil rights movement.

Oh and just letting you know Ogsonofgroo the Klan uses the American flag too.

Ha, like I give a shit about what the klan does, meh. I think that maybe it hasn't occurred to you that most people got over all this many years ago, life goes on, be happy you haz a little thread to play on and haven't been domed yet for the dead body shite. Considering the vast number of sites that deal with civil war histories etc. etc., and some of the history is damned interesting too, and the fact that there is pretty much an international membership here, most of which do not take their country's pet history stuff and crap up the site, and could not care less about US' old stuff, it makes me wonder a bit on why you are even here.
Great to have a hobby and such, but do you actually have a point to make that is relevant to exposing a cult of greed and debauchery ? NM, off-topic and all, my bad. What would make this thread interesting is if you would keep a commentary going on as to why this interests you and why you consider it important as pertains to the USA's current history and situations that have been influenced in the 'now', how can such past insanities help to teach following generations how not to repeat those mistakes again. The civil war is but one of thousands of historical conflicts world-wide, and maybe not the best example of human stupidity, near every country has brutal histories. Thankfully there aren't thousands of threads about them, heoly-hell, that's what school is for, no?
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There should be a warning of graphic images in the thread title, lest one of the little ones see something disturbing, not all of us are hiding out alone in basements or woodsheds

Maybe wwp should haz a warz sub-catagory thread section? Dunno.

TL/DR War sucks, get over it.

Very well then, go ahead with it Disambiguation.

It interrests me because It's part of American history and I find it fasinating.

And I consider it important because I belive that there is something to be learned from studying history.

And I don't mean historical facts. (although they are very interresting)

It is relevant in today's world because it is our history that made us who we are, it's how we got here.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vaggsv/spiritual_revival_26th_inf.htm

One of the little known causes of the war Federalisim and centralized goverment.

I believe this would help to understand the causes of sesesion.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Cq7mdAWPAlTApxMAznPdZ4Q&bvm=bv.82001339,d.cWc

In the middle of April 1862, the 18th Ohio under Ivan Turchin's command occupied Athens, Alabama, a prosperous town of about 1200 people.On May 1, however, they were driven out by a combined regular and partisan Confederate cavalry force of only 112 men and retreated back to Huntsville. The Confederate cavalry was greeted with cheers and waving handkerchiefs by the citizens in the streets. Reports indicate that some Athens civilians may have fired on the Union troops from their homes as they left. The Confederate forces, however, quickly pulled out of town.

The next morning Turchin marched into Athens unopposed with at least three regiments of his brigade.

The townspeople, including the ladies, turned their backs to him as he rode into town. Turchin was furious with this gesture of impertinence and told his troops he would close his eyes for a few hours while they took their pleasure in looting the town and terrorizing its citizens. He then left them to their depredations for the rest of the day. At least some of Turchin's troops stayed a few weeks.

Later testimony indicated that numerous homes, offices, and stores were pillaged. Money, jewelry, dishware, silver, watches, clothes, shoes, medical supplies, medical instruments, and anything else of value were stolen. Furniture, carpets, artwork, and fixtures were destroyed. Books and especially bibles were viciously destroyed. Numerous testimonies indicated that the soldiers' language to women was rude, insulting, threatening, and vulgar. One white woman, the pregnant wife of a Confederate cavalryman, was singled out and gang-raped , shortly thereafter dying from a miscarriage. Several black servant girls were raped, and several more had to fend off attempted rapes. The commander made his headquarters in the home of a prominent citizen and refused to let his sick daughter receive any medical treatment. She subsequently died. Shots were fired into homes and terror reigned. Some of the troops billeted themselves in the slave quarters on a nearby plantation for weeks, debauching the females. They roamed with the males over the surrounding country, plundering and pillaging.

Some Union officers of integrity among Turchin's troops, however, reported this to his Division Commander, Major General O. M. Mitchell. Mitchell immediately rebuked Turchin and notified General Buell and Secretary of War Stanton. After some delay on the part of Stanton, General Buell, a very effective officer of high integrity who was especially concerned that his soldiers conduct themselves with honor, stepped in and relieved Turchin of command, insisting on his court-martial.

Most of the information in the previous paragraphs was taken from the court-martial proceedings of August 1862. Brigadier General James A. Garfield, a future President of the United States, presided over the court-martial. Turchin and one of his regimental commanders, Col. Gazlay, were found guilty and dismissed from the Army. Charges against several other officers were dropped on proof they were only acting on Turchin's orders. General Buell approved and signed the verdict.

The proceedings of Turchin's court-martial received considerable national attention and became the focus of a debate on the prosecution and conduct of the war. The Chicago newspapers bitterly condemned Buell for Turchin's dismissal and court-martial. Their howl for harsh policies including devastation and plundering by Union armies was picked up by many other papers. The Radical Republicans in Congress were especially pushing for a more vigorous and punishing war policy.

Turchin's wife, evidently a very formidable woman in many regards, personally went to see Lincoln and persuaded him that not only should Turchin be reinstated but that he should also be promoted to Brigadier General: Hearing of this, General Buell protested to Secretary of War EdwinStanton that:

"If as I hear, the promotion of Colonel Turchin is contemplated I feel it is my duty to inform you that he is entirely unfit for it. I placed him in the command of a brigade, and now find it necessary to relieve him from it in consequence of his utter failure to enforce discipline and render it efficient."

But within a few days of the court- martial, President Lincoln reinstated Turchin and promoted him to the rank of Brigadier General. A few months later Lincoln would make a similar promotion. In November Lincoln promoted Col. John McNeil, one of the senior officers responsible for the October 1862 Palmyra Massacre in Missouri, to Brigadier General. It was obvious that Total War policy had many advocates in Washington.

Brigadier General Turchin and his wife returned to their home in Chicago to cheering crowds. He was presented a sword, and a band played "Lo, the Conquering Hero Comes." On August 30, General Buell was informed that a large part of Athens, Alabama, had been burned by Union troops passing through the town.


Source: The Un-Civil War By Mike Scruggs
Truths Your Teacher Never Told You


People Involved:


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Garfield

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_M._Stanton

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Turchaninov

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Carlos_Buell

But why? Move forward i am thinking, ain't no big thing anymore, hell, we all has history, many countries, many old-bad shite. fine to have an interest an' all, much nicer to go and lives a good life imho.

that this of interest to you is cool, we got it, though I think you have missed the major point of this here place being somewhat international. Please consider, your 200 year old history is pretty much meaningless to many here, including my own canadian farces, there is. no. point.

Stupid history is , well, derr, and humanity suffers because of these atrocious actions. Recognize them for what it is, move on, make a better world for the lessons.

My opinion, I go nao.

byeeeeee

http://docsouth.unc.edu/washington/washing.html

NORTHERN PROFITS from SLAVERY

by Douglas Harper
The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England's economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy. --Lorenzo Johnston Greene, "The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776," p.319.

Whether it was officially encouraged, as in New York and New Jersey, or not, as in Pennsylvania, the slave trade flourished in colonial Northern ports. But New England was by far the leading slave merchant of the American colonies.

The first systematic venture from New England to Africa was undertaken in 1644 by an association of Boston traders, who sent three ships in quest of gold dust and black slaves. One vessel returned the following year with a cargo of wine, salt, sugar, and tobacco, which it had picked up in Barbados in exchange for slaves. But the other two ran into European warships off the African coast and barely escaped in one piece. Their fate was a good example of why Americans stayed out of the slave trade in the 17th century. Slave voyages were profitable, but Puritan merchants lacked the resources, financial and physical, to compete with the vast, armed, quasi-independent European chartered corporations that were battling to monopolize the trade in black slaves on the west coast of Africa. The superpowers in this struggle were the Dutch West India Company and the English Royal African Company. The Boston slavers avoided this by making the longer trip to the east coast of Africa, and by 1676 the Massachusetts ships were going to Madagascar for slaves. Boston merchants were selling these slaves in Virginia by 1678. But on the whole, in the 17th century New Englanders merely dabbled in the slave trade.

Then, around 1700, the picture changed. First the British got the upper hand on the Dutch and drove them from many of their New World colonies, weakening their demand for slaves and their power to control the trade in Africa. Then the Royal African Company's monopoly on African coastal slave trade was revoked by Parliament in 1696. Finally, the Assiento and the Treaty of Utrecht (1713) gave the British a contract to supply Spanish America with 4,800 slaves a year. This combination of events dangled slave gold in front of the New England slave traders, and they pounced. Within a few years, the famous "Triangle Trade" and its notorious "Middle Passage" were in place.

Rhode Islanders had begun including slaves among their cargo in a small way as far back as 1709. But the trade began in earnest there in the 1730s. Despite a late start, Rhode Island soon surpassed Massachusetts as the chief colonial carrier. After the Revolution, Rhode Island merchants had no serious American competitors. They controlled between 60 and 90 percent of the U.S. trade in African slaves. Rhode Island had excellent harbors, poor soil, and it lacked easy access to the Newfoundland fisheries. In slave trading, it found its natural calling. William Ellery, prominent Newport merchant, wrote in 1791, "An Ethiopian could as soon change his skin as a Newport merchant could be induced to change so lucrative a trade as that in slaves for the slow profits of any manufactory."[1]

Boston and Newport were the chief slave ports, but nearly all the New England towns -- Salem, Providence, Middletown, New London - had a hand in it. In 1740, slaving interests in Newport owned or managed 150 vessels engaged in all manner of trading. In Rhode Island colony, as much as two-thirds of the merchant fleet and a similar fraction of sailors were engaged in slave traffic. The colonial governments of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania all, at various times, derived money from the slave trade by levying duties on black imports. Tariffs on slave import in Rhode Island in 1717 and 1729 were used to repair roads and bridges.

The 1750 revocation of the Assiento dramatically changed the slave trade yet again. The system that had been set up to stock Spanish America with thousands of Africans now needed another market. Slave ships began to steer northward. From 1750 to 1770, African slaves flooded the Northern docks. Merchants from Philadelphia, New York, and Perth Amboy began to ship large lots (100 or more) in a single trip. As a result, wholesale prices of slaves in New York fell 50% in six years.

On the eve of the Revolution, the slave trade "formed the very basis of the economic life of New England."[2] It wove itself into the entire regional economy of New England. The Massachusetts slave trade gave work to coopers, tanners, sailmakers, and ropemakers. Countless agents, insurers, lawyers, clerks, and scriveners handled the paperwork for slave merchants. Upper New England loggers, Grand Banks fishermen, and livestock farmers provided the raw materials shipped to the West Indies on that leg of the slave trade. Colonial newspapers drew much of their income from advertisements of slaves for sale or hire. New England-made rum, trinkets, and bar iron were exchanged for slaves. When the British in 1763 proposed a tax on sugar and molasses, Massachusetts merchants pointed out that these were staples of the slave trade, and the loss of that would throw 5,000 seamen out of work in the colony and idle almost 700 ships. The connection between molasses and the slave trade was rum. Millions of gallons of cheap rum, manufactured in New England, went to Africa and bought black people. Tiny Rhode Island had more than 30 distilleries, 22 of them in Newport. In Massachusetts, 63 distilleries produced 2.7 million gallons of rum in 1774. Some was for local use: rum was ubiquitous in lumber camps and on fishing ships. "But primarily rum was linked with the Negro trade, and immense quantities of the raw liquor were sent to Africa and exchanged for slaves. So important was rum on the Guinea Coast that by 1723 it had surpassed French and Holland brandy, English gin, trinkets and dry goods as a medium of barter."[3] Slaves costing the equivalent of £4 or £5 in rum or bar iron in West Africa were sold in the West Indies in 1746 for £30 to £80. New England thrift made the rum cheaply -- production cost was as low as 5½ pence a gallon -- and the same spirit of Yankee thrift discovered that the slave ships were most economical with only 3 feet 3 inches of vertical space to a deck and 13 inches of surface area per slave, the human cargo laid in carefully like spoons in a silverware case.

A list of the leading slave merchants is almost identical with a list of the region's prominent families: the Fanueils, Royalls, and Cabots of Massachusetts; the Wantons, Browns, and Champlins of Rhode Island; the Whipples of New Hampshire; the Eastons of Connecticut; Willing & Morris of Philadelphia. To this day, it's difficult to find an old North institution of any antiquity that isn't tainted by slavery. Ezra Stiles imported slaves while president of Yale. Six slave merchants served as mayor of Philadelphia. Even a liberal bastion like Brown University has the shameful blot on its escutcheon. It is named for the Brown brothers, Nicholas, John, Joseph, and Moses, manufacturers and traders who shipped salt, lumber, meat -- and slaves. And like many business families of the time, the Browns had indirect connections to slavery via rum distilling. John Brown, who paid half the cost of the college's first library, became the first Rhode Islander prosecuted under the federal Slave Trade Act of 1794 and had to forfeit his slave ship. Historical evidence also indicates that slaves were used at the family's candle factory in Providence, its ironworks in Scituate, and to build Brown's University Hall.[4]

Even after slavery was outlawed in the North, ships out of New England continued to carry thousands of Africans to the American South. Some 156,000 slaves were brought to the United States in the period 1801-08, almost all of them on ships that sailed from New England ports that had recently outlawed slavery. Rhode Island slavers alone imported an average of 6,400 Africans annually into the U.S. in the years 1805 and 1806. The financial base of New England's antebellum manufacturing boom was money it had made in shipping. And that shipping money was largely acquired directly or indirectly from slavery, whether by importing Africans to the Americas, transporting slave-grown cotton to England, or hauling Pennsylvania wheat and Rhode Island rum to the slave-labor colonies of the Caribbean.

Northerners profited from slavery in many ways, right up to the eve of the Civil War. The decline of slavery in the upper South is well documented, as is the sale of slaves from Virginia and Maryland to the cotton plantations of the Deep South. But someone had to get them there, and the U.S. coastal trade was firmly in Northern hands. William Lloyd Garrison made his first mark as an anti-slavery man by printing attacks on New England merchants who shipped slaves from Baltimore to New Orleans.

Long after the U.S. slave trade officially ended, the more extensive movement of Africans to Brazil and Cuba continued. The U.S. Navy never was assiduous in hunting down slave traders. The much larger British Navy was more aggressive, and it attempted a blockade of the slave coast of Africa, but the U.S. was one of the few nations that did not permit British patrols to search its vessels, so slave traders continuing to bring human cargo to Brazil and Cuba generally did so under the U.S. flag. They also did so in ships built for the purpose by Northern shipyards, in ventures financed by Northern manufacturers.

In a notorious case, the famous schooner-yacht Wanderer, pride of the New York Yacht Club, put in to Port Jefferson Harbor in April 1858 to be fitted out for the slave trade. Everyone looked the other way -- which suggests this kind of thing was not unusual -- except the surveyor of the port, who reported his suspicions to the federal officials. The ship was seized and towed to New York, but her captain talked (and possibly bought) his way out and was allowed to sail for Charleston, S.C.

Fitting out was completed there, the Wanderer was cleared by Customs, and she sailed to Africa where she took aboard some 600 blacks. On Nov. 28, 1858, she reached Jekyll Island, Georgia, where she illegally unloaded the 465 survivors of what is generally called the last shipment of slaves to arrive in the United States.

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1. Hugh Thomas, "The Slave Trade," N.Y.: Simon & Schuster, 1997, p.519.
2. Lorenzo Johnston Greene, "The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776," N.Y.: Columbia University Press, 1942, p.68-69.
3. ibid., p.26.
4. "Brown University committee examines historical ties to slavery," Associated Press, The Boston Globe, March 5, 2004

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Douglas Harper is a historian, author, journalist and lecturer based in Lancaster, Pa. He is the author of "If Thee Must Fight:" A Civil War History of Chester County, Pa." (Chester County Historical Society, 1990); "An Index of Civil War Soldiers and Sailors from Chester County, Pa." (Chester County Historical Society, 1995); "The Whitman Incident: Revolutionary Revisions to an Ephrata Tale" (Lancaster County Historical Society Journal, 1995); "West Chester to 1865: That Elegant & Notorious Place" (Chester County Historical Society, 1999).

Harper is a graduate of Dickinson College, Carlisle, Pa., with a degree in history and English. He has been featured in a BBC production on the Welsh settlements in America, and has been interviewed as a source for historical articles by the Philadelphia Inquirer, Washington Post and many magazines.
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Letter from D. H. Hill to Union General Foster
OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 2, vol 5, Part 1 (Prisoners of War) p. 389-390
GOLDSBOROUGH, N. C., March 24, 1863.
Major General J. G. FOSTER, Federal Army.

".....SIR: Two communications have been referred to me as the successor of General French. The prisoners from Swindell’s company and the Seventh North Carolina are true prisoners of war and if not paroled I will retaliate five-fold. In regard to your first communication touching the burning of Plymouth you seem to have forgotten two things. You forget, sir, that you are a Yankee and that Plymouth is a Southern town. It is no business of yours if we choose to burn one of our own towns. A meddling Yankee troubles himself about everybody’s matters except his own and repents of everybody’s sins except his own. We are a different people. Should the Yankees burn a Union village in Connecticut or a cod-fish town in Massachusetts we would not meddle with them but rather bid them God-speed in their work of purifying the atmosphere. Your second act of forgetfulness consists in your not remembering that you are the most atrocious house-burner as yet unhung in the wide universe. Let me remind you of the fact that you have made two raids when you were weary of debauching in your negro harem and when you knew that your forces outnumbered the Confederates five to one. Your whole line of march has been marked by burning churches, school-houses, private residences, barns, stables, gin-houses, negro cabins, fences in the row, &c. Your men have plundered the country of all that it contained and wantonly destroyed what they could not carry off. Before you started on your freebooting expedition toward Tarborough you addressed your soldiers in the town of Washingtonand told them that you were going to take them to a rich country full of plunder. With such a hint to your thieves it is not wonderful that your raid was characterized by rapine, pillage, arson and murder. Learning last December that there was but a single weak brigade on this line you tore yourself from the arms of sable beauty and moved out with 15,000 men on a grand marauding foray. You partially burned Kinston and entirely destroyed the village of White Hall. The elegant mansion of the planter and the hut of the poor farmer and fisherman were alike consumed by your brigands. How matchless is the impudence which in view of this wholesale arson can complain of the burning of Plymouth in the heat of action! But there is another species of effrontery which New England itself cannot excel. When you return to your harem from one of these Union-restoring excursions you write to your Government the deliberate lie that you have discovered a large and increasing Union sentiment in this State. No one knows better than yourself that there is not a respectable man in North Carolina in any condition of life who is not utterly and irrevocably opposed to union with your hated and hateful people. A few wealthy men have meanly and falsely professed Union sentiments to save their property and a few ignorant fishermen have joined your ranks but to betray you when the opportunity offers. No one knows better than yourself that our people are true as steel and that our poorer classes have excelled the wealthy in their devotion to our cause. You knowingly and willfully lie when you speak of a Union sentiment in this brave, noble and patriotic State. Wherever the trained and disciplined soldiers of North Carolina have met the Federal forces you have been scattered as leaves before t he hurricane.

In conclusion let me inform you that I will receive no more white flags from you except the one which covers your surrender of the scene of your lust, your debauchery and your crimes. No one dislikes New England more cordially than I do, but there are thousands of honorable men even there who abhor your career fully as much as I do.

Sincerely and truly, your enemy,
D. H. HILL,

Major-General, C. S. Army'....."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/civilwar/20060505-083815-2779r.htm

The Burning Of The Shenandoah Valley



Eyewitness sketch by artist Alfred Waud.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AQFjAL&usg=AFQjCNHzMURiV7gpfEJIsVwCvx4C-ObgTA


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=X2ubVMaZOIqlyQTCzYKgAw&url=http://en.

m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_Campaigns_of_1864&ved=0CCYQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNGGdZ-CHgAcInOAL1lWEwy8ZuVnvA

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AQFjAL&usg=AFQjCNHzizMzVIW47UfSTHkSM8drLIiYUA

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...4QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNG_q8LwWUDG-sqtI3EF96bjWGfolw

http://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/leon/leon.html

Sorry for bumping this topic, but Og the Groo's son has the point. This ain't a historical forum. While knowledge is free and it's nothing but good and I don't mean in any way to prevent anybody from gathering and sharing it, this particular bit of knowledge is not the goal of this forums. I of course don't give a shit about this thread and I don't really want it to be removed or anything, because I just don't care, I don't have to read it at all, but Og's right about what it would be if everyone shared their country's history here and that it has nothing to do with any of WWP's initiatives.

On the other hand, this thread is better than a shitton of other stupid troll/drama/butthurt/hacking threads that are present somewhere in the forums and hasn't been domed or deleted. But still it has no point. Tho i guess that's why this forum is called "General discussion".

And that's why I wonder why it is that orgs even posted.

If you don't care for a thread then just say that you don't care for it and move on.

It's not like I'm forcing anyone to read the thread.

Use your freewill folks!

What is Disambiguation?

I tried to wikipedia "Disambiguation", but there's disambiguation page for Disambiguation, so you better look it up yourself for disambiguation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disambiguation_(disambiguation)

The Civil War was between southerners and Yankees and the rest of the country wasn't much affected. It effected the American suppression of Indians. During the war the uSArmy was too busy to do much, after the war the army moved force to the west against Indians and mexico

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_f...california-tried-to-split-from-the-north.html
Did you know Southern California tried to secede from Northern California during the Civil War? The legislator accepted it but the Federal government stopped it. Southern California had ties to the Confederacy.

Wasn't a true civil war.

A civil war is when a political group fights for control of the government.

What we have here is a war of secesion (to break away) like when the thirteen colonies broke away from England and fought a war against the crown.

So our "civil war" and the American Revolution are actually the same thing.

(Revolutions)

Now as to the suppression of the Native Americans I find it very strange that the very same men that freed the slaves turned around and killed thousands of Native Americans.

Didn't know that.

Sorry the video that Disambiguation posted didn't show up on my phone.

So all I saw was "This is haunting" I had no way of understanding what he meant by that statement.

What a difference a comma makes