Malaysia Airlines flight goes missing

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Golden Age of Protest, Mar 7, 2014.

  1. deirdre Member

    This isn't accurate, but the text of the article's a bit wonky.

    ISMA is an NGO. Abdul Rahman Mat Dali is ISMA's vice president.

    So not governmental.

    I agree it's awful, but let's be clear about who's saying it.
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  2. Incorrect. The senior Malaysian government official who advocated hanging of critics who complained to foreign press is the MCA Wanita head. MCA = Malaysia Chinese Association, a key part of the ruling government coalition. Wanita = Women.

    The MCA Wanita head clearly and explicitly called for hanging of anyone who criticized the Malaysian government's handling of MH370 to foregn media.

    She explicitly called for an old and severely draconian penalty of hanging not only the critic, but also the family members and associates of the critic, back to the 9th generation.

    Unfortunately, it appears the original quote from the MCA Wanita head has been successfully deleted online. Local independent media are rightfully scared.

    If I can find a Google cache of the numerous original local media articles about this, I will post the text here.

    Please let me make myself clear. I am not scaremongering or sensationalizing, I am trying to report verifiable facts. Unfortunately, I waited until the weekend to update this thread, and the numerous online articles I had read reporting about the threat of hanging are gone. Deleted.

    The Ant Daily (see a couple posts back) is an independent online news, and they have been denied a permit to publish a hard copy newspaper. It seems they are the only local online news that are willing to even mention the hanging threat by MCA Wanita chief. I have not been able to locate the earlier online articles about the MCA Wanita hanging threat, they have disappeared. I was dumbfounded when I read the numerous online reports about this, and figured I would update this thread over the weekend. Turns out I was too late.

    Google Fu maestros, maybe you can find something cached in Google News regarding the MCA Wanita hanging threat earlier this week.
  3. I found some online comments to the "extermination" threat by MCA Wanita head.

    In hot water over 'family extermination' posting

    YOURSAY ‘Nine familial extermination’ to me is evil and vindictive to the extreme.’

    Heng defends 'execute' DAP, PKR families remark

    Ferdtan: How can MCA Wanita chief Heng Seai Kie be so cruel to ask for the families of DAP/PKR to be ‘executed’ in her “nine familial extermination” call?

    So Heng, are you asking not only the DAP/PKR leaders but their father, mother, grandmother, grandfather, children, babies, grandchildren, uncles, aunties, nieces, cousins, grandcousins and anyone who bears the surnames of the DAP/PKR leaders be exterminated?

    Wow, Heng now is the equivalent to some of the cruelest rulers in the Middle Kingdom, like the first empress of China, Lu Zhi.

    Heng, as we believe MCA have betrayed all Chinese and you are one of the party’s leaders; how do you feel if we were to call for the same thing - to severely punish you with the “nine familial extermination”?

    To put it bluntly, if you are stupid enough not to know the meaning of what you had said: likewise it means that your parents, children and grandchildren and other relatives will be (no, we don’t want to be crude like you) punished. Like it?

    Onyourtoes: Heng, first when you put whatever you want to say in the public domain, it is no longer a private conversation, what more when you are a public figure. So don’t try to split hair here.

    Second, do you seriously think the Chinese (from China) are that dumb? Do you seriously think they are subject to influence and incitement by Malaysians?

    If that is the case, Malaysians and opposition leaders must be very powerful figures. They could incite foreigners to stage street protests and demonstrations at our embassy in foreign capitals.

    Criticism in any democracy is a given. If leaders can’t stand it, they should not seek public office. Criticism is not disloyal to Malaysia. On the contrary, it is a manifestation of our concern for Malaysia.

    “Nine familial extermination” to me is evil and vindictive to the extreme. You should retire as you are no longer fit to hold public office.

    Anonymous_1378093545: Heng, as a leader you are a disgrace to your fellow Malaysians, your political party and to the women you purportedly lead.

    I say 'purported' because one who displays such arrogance cannot truly lead. Your remark on “nine familial extermination” shows how uncouth and arrogant you are. Perhaps you are aware of your own limitations and have decided garner cheap publicity.

    If you make such a comment on social media, especially as a leader, you must accept the repercussions. If you have any integrity, you would have resigned from your post as MCA Wanita chief with immediate effect.

    We do not need another generation of politicians who think that they can get away with anything and have no need to answer to the peace-loving people of this nation.
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    (Note: DAP and PKR are opposition political parties)

    MCA Wanita chief Heng Seai Kie has defended her urging to execute the kin of DAP and PKR members who purportedly discredited Malaysia in China over the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

    Please login to read full story.
  5. deirdre Member

    Thank you for the clarification. It's late here and I'm tired, so I missed that there were multiple people being discussed.
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  6. As ifness Member

    Well, the Chinese seem to be on the job.
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  7. That's great news! It's not reported yet in local Malaysia media.

    Here's hoping this results in actually finding MH370.
  8. The Wrong Guy Member

    Search for Flight 370 Continues, As Chinese Ship Hears Unidentified Ping | Wall Street Journal

    A person close to Malaysian investigators said they were aware of the Xinhua report and were awaiting details from Chinese authorities. The person said Malaysia wouldn't comment on the possible finding or whether it was related to the missing jet without first getting an official confirmation.

    Meantime, Australia's Defence Minister David Johnston said on Saturday that he was optimistic about the report of the Chinese ship detecting the pulse signal. Mr. Johnston cautioned, however, that the Xinhua dispatch still needed to be officially verified. "I'm optimistic but let's not get ahead of ourselves," Mr. Johnston said in a televised interview on Sky News Australia. "Let's wait until there's an official position. We've got to research this; we've got to get the right equipment to try and identify the actual location."

    Mr. Johnston said official verification of the report might not be forthcoming for up to a day.
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  9. Andy Downs Member


    No one knows a damn thing, but it will be covered tonight on CNN
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  10. The Wrong Guy Member

    Jon Ostrower@jonostrower 20m
    DEVELOPING: CCTV: Chinese vessel hears ping for second day in a row, no confirmation it's Flight 370

    Chinese Patrol Ship Detected Pulse in Indian Ocean Friday, Saturday

    A Chinese patrol ship in the southern Indian Ocean searching for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 two days in a row detected pulses consistent with a commercial airliner’s black box, according to the official China Central Television.

    The report late Saturday from the Chinese state broadcaster said there is no confirmation that the pulses are from the missing plane and said other factors could explain the signals detected by the Chinese ship.

    Speaking late Saturday from aboard the Haixun 01, which has a black-box detector to search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a CCTV reporter said that in addition to a pulse detected by experts aboard the ship that afternoon, signals on the same frequency also were detected a day earlier by the vessel.

    In a brief Saturday evening, China’s official Xinhua news agency also reported the pulse detected Saturday. It said the Haixun’s black-box detector picked up the signal in a corridor of the southern Indian Ocean that is being scoured for signs of the plane that went missing March 8.

    Both CCTV and Xinhua have reporters aboard the Haixun. Xinhua, which limited its report to three sentences and had downplayed the report on its main news page by Sunday morning, didn’t mention the Friday finding.

    Officials quoted by state-run media in China, as well as in Australia and Malaysia, said they couldn’t confirm the origin of such a pulse.

    The pulse on Saturday afternoon lasted around 1.5 minutes and on Friday continued for about 15 minutes, the CCTV report said. The television report said the pulse on Friday was at a time when the area had ship traffic.

    The pulses were emitted at the same frequency, 37.5 kilohertz, that is consistent with signals from a jetliner’s black box, according to the media reports, though they also said other factors could explain a pulse at that frequency.
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  11. rickybobby Member

    It will be covered AD NAUSEUM.

    Wait.... I am sure Nancy Grace can add some clarity to this situation....
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  12. rickybobby Member

    This is serious shit. Fortunately, it is unpalatable enough that it has had to be scrubbed from the interwebs.

    But still serious shit. Malaysia is fucked up, and this tragedy has brought this to the attention of the world.
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  13. The Internet Member

    Threatening violence toward people who notice your fail when you fail --WINNING! Modern, civilized, intelligent, and not at all like a big smelly baboon.

    Stay classy, Malassya.
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  15. The Wrong Guy Member

    Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 flew around Indonesia airspace; Second signal heard in black box search

    The missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 may have flown around Indonesian airspace on the night it disappeared, in what may have been a deliberate attempt to avoid radar detection.

    CNN reported a senior Malaysian government source saying that the missing jet made the detour after it had left the range of Malaysian military radar.

    The latest details emerged as new satellite calculations put the likely location of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the same spot where Chinese patrol vessel Haixun 01 detected deep water acoustic sounds on two consecutive days.

    In the strongest lead to date, Air Chief Marshall Angus Houston said the Haixun 01 picked up sounds coming from about 4,500m down, in two locations just two kilometres apart, on Friday and Saturday.

    The searchers are seeking the jet’s two black boxes, the Cockpit Voice Recorder and the Flight Data Recorder. This has raised the possibility the Haixun 01 may have heard frequencies from the two separated boxes from a crashed and broken plane.

    While Mr Houston viewed the developments as positive, he warned against any drawing any conclusions until the sounds had been properly evaluated.

    He said the Australian Defence vessel Ocean Shield had also detected acoustic noises from its towed pinger locator on Sunday morning, in a more northern area.

    But given the strength of the Chinese lead, Ocean Shield would likely be deployed to join Haixun 01 once it had fully investigated what it was picking up.

    She and HMS Echo, which also has deep-sea listening equipment, would not likely arrive till later on Monday or Tuesday, in a new search area which appears to be about 1500km west of Shark Bay.

    This location coincides with new advice from experts calculating the plane’s likely flight path, now placing it slightly further south than they thought.

    It is understood the revision is because they found issues with the satellite when it was receiving information from the flight as it headed wildly off-course on March 8.

    The Chinese have reported seeing white objects floating about 90km from the new area.

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  16. RavenEyes Member

    Netflix just added Stephen King's "The Langoliers" to its streaming line-up, for those of you who've never seen the theatrical dramatization of yet another possibility of what happened.
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  17. Andy Downs Member

    All that is going to happen once, or if, they find the ping from the box is that that have a new problem.....getting to it.
    This whole thing will take a couple of years.
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  18. The Wrong Guy Member

    Malaysia Flight 370: Signals consistent with those from data recorders | CNN

    After a month of searching, investigators now have their "most promising" lead yet in finding the missing plane.

    A pinger locator in the Indian Ocean has detected signals consistent with those emitted by aircraft black boxes, the head of the Joint Agency Coordination Center said Monday.

    The sounds were heard at a depth of 4,500 meters (about 14,764 feet), retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said.

    But it could take days before officials can confirm whether the signals did indeed come from the plane, which went missing March 8 with 239 people on board, the search official said.

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  19. The Wrong Guy Member

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  20. rickybobby Member

    I asked this question before.... Why aren't these boxes made so they float?
  21. deirdre Member

    Every pound (and square inch) on an aircraft is critical. Something bad enough for the black box to wind up in the deep would also mean anything that would make it float could be compromised, too.
  22. Paroxetine Samurai Moderator

    they were talking about deployable black boxes that float as well.

    Basically if the nose hits the ground or there is enough of a hard jolt (talking way more than the usual shaking), the Box will eject out and have flotation devices on it.

    The problems are though:
    1. Each unit costs $60,000.
    2. It's hard enough to get the Airline industry to spend any money without bawwing and shitting themselves over it.
    3. Then there is the FAA.... Who only act after bad shit happens and not before. A problem could have a big neon sign pointed smack dab at it and the FAA would ignore it until planes (plural, not singular) started falling out of the sky. Then they'd do something about it while acting all surprised they "didn't know about it till now".
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  23. The Wrong Guy Member

    Search for missing Malaysia plane set to move to sea floor | Reuters

    A robotic search vehicle is likely to be sent deep into the Indian Ocean on Tuesday to look for wreckage of a missing Malaysian jetliner on the sea floor, as officials say the chance of finding anything on the surface has dwindled.

    Angus Houston, head of the Australian agency coordinating the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, said the month-long hunt was at a critical stage given the black box recorder batteries were dying - or had died.

    An Australian ship that picked up signals consistent with the beacons from aircraft black box recorders over the weekend had not registered any further pulses, Houston said.

    "The locator beacon has a shelf life of 30 days and we are now past that time and as a consequence there is a chance that the locator beacon is about to cease transmission, or has ceased transmission," Houston told Australian Broadcasting Corp radio.

    "It's all very finely balanced and I think it's absolutely imperative to find something else."

    Houston said the chance of finding anything on the surface was greatly diminished due to strong currents and a cyclone that had passed through the area in the past week.


    A U.S. Navy "towed pinger locator", which has been trawling an area some 1,680 km (1,040 miles) northwest of Perth, picked up two "ping" signal detections over the weekend - the first for more than two hours and the second for about 13 minutes.

    Houston said the Australian ship Ocean Shield was still pulling the pinger locator in an effort to regain contact but would likely move quickly to remove that equipment and instead send down an autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV) named Bluefin-21.

    The Bluefin will scour the ocean floor in 20-hour missions using sonar in an attempt to find the Boeing 777, before its findings are downloaded and analyzed on board the Ocean Shield.

    If anything unusual is spotted, the sonar on board the robotic vehicle will be replaced with a camera to take a closer look. The potential search area was 4.5 km (2.8 miles) deep, the same as the Bluefin range.
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  24. Andy Downs Member

    That 30 days is not absolute. Temperature and other factors can reduce that time.
    I stand by what I said in the beginning, no one knows a damn thing until they find the plane.....that may take years.....and a few more after that until they understand what happened.

    However, more speculation by people with no direct knowledge of access will be featured again tonight on CNN
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  29. As ifness Member

    Lovely comments. I feel better now.
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  30. ItchyScratchy Member

    Who are you talking to?
  31. As ifness Member

    Sorry. That wasn't clear. I was referring to the pleasing comments on the Malaysian news article above.
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  32. The Wrong Guy Member

    New ping signals spark confidence in Malaysia Airlines search | Reuters

    Australian officials said on Wednesday two new "ping" signals had been detected in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, boosting confidence after more than a month of fruitless searching for the missing jetliner.

    The signals, which could be from the plane's black box recorders, bring to four the number of overall "pings" detected in recent days within the search area by a U.S. Navy "Towed Pinger Locator" (TPL).

    Angus Houston, head of the Australian agency coordinating the search, struck an optimistic tone when announcing the information, but urged caution as the task of searching the remote Indian Ocean region remained enormous.

    "I believe we are searching in the right area but we need to visually identify aircraft wreckage before we can confirm with certainty that this is the final resting place of MH370," Houston told reporters in the western Australian city of Perth.

    "I'm now optimistic that we will find the aircraft, or what is left of the aircraft, in the not too distant future."

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  33. Anonylemmi Member

    "The team of international investigators hunting for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 has "unquestionably" located the missing jetliner and could soon have high resolution images of the wreck site, an expert in deep sea recoveries of ships and planes told
    There is virtually no chance that the pings picked up by ships towing sophisticated listening devices could be anything other than signals emitted by the plane's flight data recorder, or "black box," David Mearns, of Blue Water Recoveries, a United Kingdom-based company that holds the Guinness World Record for the deepest ocean recovery and has assisted searches for sunken planes.
    "This cannot be coming from anything else. This is the best equipment there is, and the signal is unmistakable.”
    - David Mearns, Blue Water Recoveries

    "This cannot be coming from anything else," Mearns said. "This is the best equipment there is, and the signal is unmistakable.”
    If Mearns is correct, what remains is to pinpoint the precise location, map the debris field on the seabed and begin recovering parts of the plane and, possibly, the bodies of victims. The site is some 15,000 feet, or 2.8 miles deep, Mearns said, and in a remote part of the Indian Ocean that is deeper than the Titanic's final resting site and too deep for humans to dive."
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  34. The Wrong Guy Member

    Malaysia Airlines MH370: New possible 'pings' detected in jet search | The Associated Press

    An Australian aircraft Thursday detected what may be the fifth signal coming from a man-made device deep in the Indian Ocean, adding to hopes that searchers will soon pinpoint the object's location and send down a robotic vehicle to confirm if it is a black box from the missing Malaysian jet.

    The Australian air force P-3 Orion, which has been dropping sound-locating buoys into the water near where the original sounds were heard, picked up a "possible signal" that may be from a man-made source, said Angus Houston, who is coordinating the search off Australia's west coast.

    "The acoustic data will require further analysis overnight," Houston said in a statement.

    If confirmed, the signal would further narrow the hunt for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which vanished on March 8 while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people aboard.

    The Australian ship Ocean Shield picked up two underwater sounds on Tuesday, and two sounds it detected Saturday were determined to be consistent with the pings emitted from a plane's flight recorders, or "black boxes."

    The Australian air force has been dropping sonar buoys to maximize the sound-detectors operating in a search zone that is now the size of the city of Los Angeles.
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  35. rof Member

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  36. MrSocko Member

    Diego Garcia

    That is all I'm saying.
  37. Anonylemmi Member

    Tiny pieces spread out on the ocean floor.
    Occam's Razor.
    That is all I'm saying.
  38. MrSocko Member

    Lets make a gentleman's bet. I say it landed on island,,you say it landed on ocean. Time will tell,,,,,,maybe.
  39. Anonylemmi Member

    Yes, conspiracies exist. But they are only as strong as their weakest link. They tend to fall apart. VAST conspiracies are very unlikely to exist for the same reason.
    A Snowden generally appears to fuck up the works.

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