Narconon @ Wikipedia (a heads-up)

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by Anonymous, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. jensting Member

    This, from the French Parliamentary Report on Cults of 1995, in unofficial translation
    Would that be useful in Wikipedia?

    Best Regards

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  2. Anonymous Member

    bump for progress-report?
  3. Anonymous Member

    Ackerland, if you don't have time/energy to do this, then please say so, and we'll open the field for volunteers again.
  4. Ackerland Member

    sorry, i still have this on the back of my mind and will do this
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  5. Anonymous Member

    For the wikiheads... looking through your contribs, Thilo, and came across this interesting edit that you reversed. Apparently User:pictorialEvidence is editing from a CofS computer and did not notice that his proxy filter blocked the term "Xenu" in the article as he was editting it and replaced it with "_vetted_". Whoops.
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  6. DeathHamster Member

    "PictorialEvidence" is likely a sock-puppet of blocked user Shutterbug, who has been caught by exactly that filter mistake before.
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  8. Ackerland Member

    Well, check the article out again. I have completely removed the Dr. Root section, because the only reference is to some alternatives medicines books which says Dr. Root made this study and claims such and such etc... without a reference to a peer reviewed publication whatsoever.
    Also, I added the fact that the Cicchiani study was funded directly by able + proof for it.
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  9. Anonymous Member

    Original article had:

    Current article has:

    You win this shirt:

  10. Anonymous Member

    Shirt no longer available. Enjoy this instead:

  11. Ackerland Member

    It is not difficult to argue the removal of that section. The sources for that were just too thin. A book about arthritis self-help? Seriously?
  12. DeathHamster Member

    A challenger appears...
    Somehow the idea of allowing "legal" sockpuppets on Scientology articles strikes me as a very bad idea, and I question whether anyone has approved this.
  13. Anonymous Member

    Thimbleweed seems to be referencing an edit dine by Scifilover386 that removed a whole section describing the TR8 due to asshattry over sources. Could be interesting.
  14. Ackerland Member

    He writes in his user profile that his sockpuppet was authorized. Maybe he really got the okay from arbcom. Also, he does not seem to follow a pro-Scientology agenda. So this is cool with me.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Not sure if this will help from an evaluation was request by the California Department of Health.
    The first five TR's (0-4) must be mastered in their entirety
    three times before proceeding to TR6. (We were informed that no
    TR5 existed.) TR6 involves "good and effective control over an
    individual or group"' TR7 -- the same as TR6 but on a higher
    "gradient" which presumably means physical control over a
    threatening or disturbed individual. TR8 involves "intention
    without reservation" -- to totally clarify ones intentions (which
    may be nonverbal). TR9 is a culmination of previous TR's and
    stresses particularly the thorough mastery of four conceptions,
    i.e. "exact intention," "exact strength needed," "exact force
    necessary," and "exact intention without reservation or limit."
    The student now goes backwards through this routine and if
    successful is given a certificate of completion for the basic
    Narconon Communication Course. Upon completion of the basic
    Communication Course the student is apparently free to choose any
    number of more "advanced" course study programs, most of which
    appear to be stepping stones towards the attainment of HQS
    (Hubbard Qualified Scientologist) status. We were told that
    approximately 90 percent of the students go on into the various
    courses available. A Mr. John Powers, who stated he is the new
    staff auditor for Narconon New Life, states that he hoped all
    graduates of the basic Narconon Communications Course would take
    courses leading to HQS.

    It was very ambiguous to us, due to conflicting statements,
    exactly how the E-meter auditing and the Post-Basic Narconon
    courses related. It seemed clear enough, however, that the
    E-meter was routinely used in many if not all of the courses and
    it was implied that this device was used at least occasionally in
    the Basic Narconon Communication Course.

    e. Training: There is a seven week provisional period for staff
    after course completion during which they work and receive
    additional training before they begin getting paid. According to
    the director of Narconon New Life and director of Narconon U.S.
    an additional requirement for Narconon staff members responsible
    for using an E-meter to audit student progress, is that they be a
    recognized minister in the Church of Scientology.

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  17. Anonymous Member
    This is the last paragraph of the "21st Century" section:
    Even though there's a whole section further down about Narconon Trois-Rivieres being closed down, a mention of that fact also needs to be added to this section.
  18. Anonymous Member

    The website appear to out of commission. Anyone knows what happened?
  19. DeathHamster Member

    Since the site is gone since 2009 (although the domain is still owned by ABLE), should that section even exist?
  20. Anonymous Member

    bump for new edits, which Anons may wish to peruse/improve/whatever.
  21. DeathHamster Member

    The additions look good, and with a neutral point of view.
  22. Anonymous Member

    cool. free free to improve or even make them more-NPOV if needed.
  23. DeathHamster Member

    Heh. I can't touch articles which are broadly Scientology related.
  24. Anonymous Member

    bumpiness for moar editing.
  25. Anonymous Member

    This is improving, though there are enough references to make the last part of that sentence be more specific:
  26. Anonymous Member

  27. Anonymous Member

    yes indeed. consider it a work-in-progress right now.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    work continues...

    /r/ links to authorative sources...

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  29. Anonymous Member

    This is nice!

    What would be nice is dox showing some of the new names they are starting to use, so that Wikipedia can be updated with alternative names (and redirects from said names).
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  30. DeathHamster Member

    That would require a third-party reliable source that talks about the alternative names. (i.e. a newspaper story.)
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  31. snippy Member

    The first line of this article says it all:

    Narconon is a Scientology front group.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

    The Wikipedia article may be one of the best defenses. It floats to the top in a google search.
    Since this requires vigilant monitoring, maybe it should be a sticky.

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  32. Anonymous Member

    thanks Jens, it's in.
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  33. Anonymous Member

    Won't a primary source do to cover simple facts?
  34. Anonymous Member

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  35. another123 Member

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  36. Anonymous Member

    Useful research is useful.

    Please add sources on this thread or at
  37. Intelligence Member

    Very imformative Wiki site:) - - Hope more to be added as cases unfold; especially
    the Quebec Human rights Commission investigating NN TR, ABLE Canada, ABLE Int.,
    NN Int., the COS Montreal, COS California, and DM - - all named.

    Coms from QHRC last month indicate we are nearing Report and decision Phase of
    whether or not cases will proceed to Court-Hearings? I expect they will, but you never
    know with this insideous cult?

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  38. Anonymous Member

    oh yes. still a work in progress.

    please post sources, particularly mainstream media and government ones, as and when available.
  39. Anonymous Member

    A laughable attempt by a Scientologist to alter the first paragraph of the article:
    Reverted of course:

    Keep an eye out for less idiotic attempts.
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