Once Upon A Time In Clearwater - your needle was floating

Once Upon A Time In Clearwater - your needle was floating

There was a thread on Enturbulation.org about a caper in clearwater that might turn out to reach epic proportions... I had suggested.., NOT promised, that I'd reveal the caper for your enjoyment in about 60 days... well its been about 6 months. Unfortunately the situation got a bit complicated, those who could be compromised took longer to get themselves out of harms way... so I was unable to say much of anything. Those I privately told the story to, understood why non-disclosure would cause more havoc than disclosure would, but the time has come to tell this very juicy story... The names involved will not be disclosed, however, the operational details will be disclosed - with certain facts left out to protect the players, some are still involved but not for long, after making this posting...

Now kiddies, curl up by the fire, let me tell you a yarn...

Once Upon A Time In Clearwater

Once upon a time in Clearwater Florida, there was a health food store, who had become privately famous for their nutritional suppliments. A great bulk of their clients were hard core high level, rich, Scientology "OTs"...

When an "OT" goes to get onto his next OT level, he is required to endure a security check paid for at his expense... These 'sec checks' sometimes take quite a while, costing thousands of dollars, and then there are the required preparatory review/repairs that must be done prior do doing your OT Level, or the "L" series....These preparatory actions, including the security check, often take 3 or 4 "intensives" (12 1/2 hour blocks of auditing) costing TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars, PER Intensive, unless of course your needle is constantly floating...

So the Scientology OT's in clearwater, would often try all kinds of nutritional tricks in order to be very "sessionable" so that they might get through their auditing more quickly, thus saving some money for themselves...

One of the products that became extremely popular was a rather expensive protein drink - you know a fruit and protein with vitamins added thick drink.. that the OTs would take for a few days before their auditing started, so they would "run well" and be very 'sessionable".

Well... this writer found himself in contact with a certain health food store owner, who had read Lermanet.com ... a LOT of it..(there are 4700 pages there plus 10K more in archives). enough to deprogram himself and to see the truth about Scientology...

We spoke about many things, including a fact, that I had learned and told this person, that there is one city in the united states with the LOWEST level of insanity.. and that city turns out to be El Paso Texas.

El Paso Texas also has a certain peculiarity about its drinking water supply.. the drinking water there, because of certain natural rock deposits, just happens to contain the highest levels of a certain trace element... that element is lithium.

Up until about 1950, Lithium Chloride was sold as a salt (sodium chloride) substitute, just as Potassium Chloride is sold today..as a salt substitute.

However, if you take teaspoons of this stuff for weeks at a time, it can damage your kidneys - causing kidney failure... Lithium Carbonate is prescribed by psychiatrists and doctors to treat Manic Depression, the dosage is 500 milligrams a day.. thats 1/2 a gram of the stuff, not teaspoons full...

Now, I grew up in a health food style family and have been reading all that stuff for 40 years, and reading Science News Letter, etc.. since I was 13 years old...and as a guy that went to Woodstock '69, I have been around a while and was very good in chemistry...I keep up with the latest, bestest and mostest nutritional information, specifically as regards to Life-Extension..

So I explained a great deal about what *I* knew to this person in Clearwater, including the tidbit about El Paso... and I even provided a source for a trace mineral version of Lithium, called Lithium Orotate.. The orotate radical, easily passed through cell membranes AND through the Brain/Blood barrier.. It should be noted that the Lithium Carbonate or Chloride versions do NOT, and must be metabolized ( which the body doesnt do very well ) for the stuff to become psychoactive... A very small amount of Lithium will balance your brain neurotransmitters.. bringing DOWN ones that are too high and bringing UP those that are too low...and the stuff, if you happen to need a bit more than you are getting, ocassionaly makes a person feel GREAT.... There is a website called Beyond A Century Performance Nutritional Supplements that has it, and it is cheap..

Anyway, after I imparted the information above to the person in Clearwater, they decided to add some of this stuff to the nutritional guck bombs that the Scientologist OT's in Clearwater were drinking. Shortly after adding this stuff word got around from "glowing" "OTs" that they were FLYING THROUGH THEIR SEC CHECKS WITH FLOATING NEEDLES and completing their actions that had been estimated at 3 or 4 intensives in just ONE~!!!!

You see, if you are suffering from a need for a little bit of lithium (USED AS A "PSYCHIATIC DRUG in 500mg doses) a few milligrams of it in a form that can cross the blood brain barrier (Lithium orotate) might just make you FEEL GREAT.

And it turns out to have a fantastic side effect - a little bit of this stuff will give someone who needs it a FLOATING NEEDLE!!!

So they can FLOAT THROUGH THEIR SECURITY CHECKS!!!

Which is EXACTLY the result it had!

And Flag's income crashed.

Well kids, I hope you enjoyed my little bedtime story

called once upon a time in clearwater..

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please tell me this guy told the scilons he gave them a psych drug? lmaooooooo

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After reading the first line of this post I had to check:
Weather forecast for Hell in Stjørdal (Nord-Trøndelag), 3 m. ? yr.no

Yes, frozen.

After coming to "lithium":

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the Lerma surprise finally revealed.

so is this concoction still available to / used by the OT's?

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And they'll live happily ever after in Clearwater...as soon as the cult implodes.

Thank you very much for this story, Arnie.

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Arnie delivers.

Impending bawww from Scientologists on ARS.

I keep saying Scientology is just like psychiatry with the good parts watered down (literally in this case), and the abuses and megalomania amplified by a lack of science and freedom.

For reference: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...vid-miscavige-lermanet-com-exposing-con-8326/

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Oh man, they're all going to have to do the purif and drug rundown AGAIN!!! hahahahaha

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niiice burn Arnie and other guy, well done

is other guy now at some kinda risk? Arnie: you're always at risk

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A beautiful thing this is, and one which remains unfinished. These specific Clearwater OT's you speak of, they must know they took a common psychiatric drug and that it helped them. It is only then that the joke will be complete.

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ITT scientology gets done on all fronts, lol!

I also have to add... they give them massive doses of vitamins. Who wants to bet that the source of those vitamins are the same Chinese factories that are also producing psych drugs and other things the scilons hate?

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Oops! Guess they're all illegal now. No more people allowed Scio services in Flag?

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www.epwu.org/water/pdf/dwr_2003.pdf


Is lithium present in El Paso’s water? Does it have an effect on
people’s moods?

A small amount of lithium occurs naturally in El Paso’s water. The
amount is considerably less than a medical dosage. Lithium is some-
times used by doctors to treat mental disorders. To get the same
amount of lithium as in one standard capsule, you would have to drink
about 600 glasses of water.

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^^^ The idea for the plot was based on something with little quality, but if they actually DID improve their speed through their intensives with the added lithium as the only variable, then it's lulz.

It would of course not be anything more than an anecdote if we don't get actual numbers to support it.

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Actually what the Scientologists take is less controlled and monitored than what psychiatrists prescribe. You can buy some natural herb from China and get something more potent than a doctor prescribes.

When we're talking about supplements, it's also good to mention that one way which Scientologists milk money out of Narconon and Criminon is to buy vitamins and supplements from themselves at high prices.

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There's a lot of controversy in the medical and naturopathic communities re: lithium orotate's efficacy level and side effects. Just sayin'...

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True, there needs to be more studies done, but it's still sold as a legal, over the counter nutritional supplement.








Hmmm...wonder if all the people who saved up all their pennies to pay for OT courses at FLAG will now have to repay and do them over again when they find out they were illegal?

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So Arnie, basically all the OTs were basically just stoned going through the sec checks? Has this become common knowledge in Scientology?

While this is hysterical and probably ruined the income at Flag I wonder about the side effects.

1. As RavenEyes just pointed out not everyone thinks lithium orotate is a good thing to be ingesting.

2. Wouldn't this have validated in the eye of the Scientologist that taking vitamins during the whole fiasco? People that might have started questioning the tech now started flying up the bridge and end up becoming a more hardcore Scientologist in the long run.

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This is fascinating.

I can partially corroborate this with an anecdote:

A few years ago, an acquaintance of mine who used to live in Clearwater told me about how he used to volunteer for blood drives. Scientologists would donate blood and claim that they weren't on any medication, but their blood could not be used because it contained antidepressants.

I thought about the story for about a year, but dismissed it because I couldn't find any other evidence that supported his story. I assumed he got some details mixed up or didn't know what he was talking about.

I guess I was wrong.

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Dox would be nice.

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Lithium Orotate is the naturopathic equivalent of the psychiatric Lithium Carbonate.
Lithium orotate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the post, Arnie.
Lithium salts, the secret ingredient for OT Powerz!

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precisely stated..., thank you, and that was/is why, to properly finish this caper it had to be posted...consider the cognitive dissonance caused to a scientologist OT of this thought:

"lithium made my needle float"

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lol! Flag management must have been going nuts trying to find the correct WHY! How ironic.

On the stuff itself, I found this interesting comment:

"Although a few psychiatrists prescribe lithium orotate to their patients, it is most often naturopaths and other alternative health practictioners who recommend this drug to their patients."
Lithium orotate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps there are other scientologists on this and similar alternative meds and not know that what they are taking is an equivalent to a "psych" med.

Scientology forces dependence on alternative practitioners in lieu of appropriate medical care. The long term result of this has been a leaning into "OTHER PRACTICES", with the latest flavor practices being approved although in the past would have been something a person would be declared PTS for. Members just following the party line of what's working to make the most of the bad situation. The popular drink got popular because it worked and and Scientology wasn't.

So I guess these OTs are all illegal PCs now, right? Bwhahahaha!!!

Mary

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Arnie Lerma said:
"You see, if you are suffering from a need for a little bit of lithium (USED AS A "PSYCHIATIC DRUG in 500mg doses) a few milligrams of it in a form that can cross the blood brain barrier (Lithium orotate) might just make you FEEL GREAT.
And it turns out to have a fantastic side effect - a little bit of this stuff will give someone who needs it a FLOATING NEEDLE!!!
So they can FLOAT THROUGH THEIR SECURITY CHECKS!!!
Which is EXACTLY the result it had!
And Flag's income crashed."

Scatman says:
I wonder if Davey Miscavige is going to declare anyone who took this potion with Lithium Orotate in it a "Illegal PC" and no longer eligible for scientology services. Not. Fiddling around with the ficticious "body thetans" is a lucrative business and the gullible patients, I mean public, pay the bills.
Could it be stated that scientology is nothing more than unlicensed, quack psychiatry?

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illegal pcs indeed...
Some entertaining one liners do come to mind....
for example:

"Scientology?

Lithium can help you with that!!"

and re unlicensed quack psychiatry... I'd prefer the legal term "elaborate fraud" much like the ENRON of bogus religions - both produced NOTHING but bankrupt indviduals, and suicide.

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Lithium orotate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what you are telling me is that all of the OTs who drank those fruity-protein shakes drank psych drugs and are illegal preclears?

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I wonder if the people who were getting pissed off & frustrated with the scientology OT courses in Clearwater were the ones who were not drinking the fruit/protein shakes.

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yes...

AND

they "floated" through their "security checks"

this "situation" creates many ramifications
but they are the dwarf's problem.. or whomever is running the psychopolitical terrorist organization dba scientology these days...

Repost:
Clam lawyer Rosen asked: Mr Lerma, why do you continue to say bad things about the Church of Scientology???

Lerma: Mr Rosen, in your question, are you referring to the international psychopolitical terrorist organization doing a rapidly shrinking but still brisk business of fraud upon innocent citizens worldwide dba scientology and related entities and front groups???

Rosen said (acting angry) : Mr. Lerma, you can't describe the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY that way.

Lerma: Mr Rosen are trying to trick me into committing perjury on your behalf?

Rosen: This deposition is OVER.

THE END.

remember this one lesson:

"A person takes his first step to becoming a scientologist when they start to believe the first one of scientology's LIES"

and they don't stop being a scientologist(to some degree) until they both recognize AND stop believing ALL of the LIES their heads were filled with. In some cases, this takes decades...

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As a big fan and supporter of the Red Cross blood drive, I beg to differ on what you say here. I doubt you were wrong and I think you were bluffed.

First off, many medications, including antidepressants are not on the list of disallowed medications and the prescreening blood test one takes to give blood is only to check Red Blood cells to make sure the donor is not anemic.

You can see from the Red Cross what meds are not acceptable and none are antidepressants. The medications on the list are used either to help effect the blood in some way or in the treatment of skin disorders.
http://www.redcross.org/en/eligibility
Medications
In almost all cases, medications will not disqualify you as a blood donor. Your eligibility will be based on the reason that the medication was prescribed. As long as the condition is under control and you are healthy, blood donation is usually permitted.
Over-the-counter oral homeopathic medications, herbal remedies, and nutritional supplements are acceptable.
There are a handful of drugs that are of special significance in blood donation. Persons on these drugs have waiting periods following their last dose before they can donate blood:

• Accutane, Amnesteem, Claravis or Sotret (isoretinoin), Proscar (finasteride), and Propecia (finasteride) - wait 1 month from the last dose.
• Avodart (dutasteride) - wait 6 months from the last dose.
• Aspirin, no waiting period for donating whole blood. However you must wait 48 hours after taking aspirin or any medication containing aspirin before donating platelets by apheresis.
• Clopidogrel - wait 7 days after taking this medication before donating platelets by apheresis.
• Coumadin (warfarin) , heparin or other prescription blood thinners- you should not donate since your blood will not clot normally. If your doctor discontinues your treatment with blood thinners, wait 7 days before returning to donate.
• Hepatitis B Immune Globulin – given for exposure to hepatitis, wait 12 months after exposure to hepatitis.
• Human pituitary-derived growth hormone at any time - you are not eligible to donate blood.
• Plavix - wait 7 days after taking this medication before donating platelets by apheresis.
• Soriatane (acitretin) - wait 3 years.
• Tegison (etretinate) at any time - you are not eligible to donate blood.
• Ticlid - wait 7 days after taking this medication before donating platelets by apheresis.

Ticlopidine - wait 7 days after taking this medication before donating platelets by apheresis.
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Perhaps they were on some other 'supplement' that simulated one of the above meds but anti-depressants it wasn't.

Mary

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Can we send this to the American Psychiatric Association? They'd laugh so hard they'd need a change of pants.

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A most excellent suggestion!

Please do

I had not thought of that, that it why scientology works so hard to disrupt any discussions and sidetrack them, because every (real) participant learns from a good discussion, and for scientology to survive, we must all fight each other and waste each other's time...instead of work together to expose the KING of CON's global scam.

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This needs to be turned into a bumper sticker...

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^ And now Scientology management has a way to confirm this did in fact occur. I'm pretty sure scientology is squirrely enough to get the blood drive to cough up this bit of information about their general population.

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BAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about the fat free yogurt. LMAO

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Read the post referencing proscribed drugs for blood donors. This might have been the stuff of urban legend. Does the local hospitals have different qualification criteria? Perhaps hospitals around Clearwater screens for psychiatric drugs in the blood because they can't give it to Scientologist patients?

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What the fuck do you want, pictures of people taking lithium?

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And re sending the story to the APA...

The APA once did a front page story about the highest ranking sea org member in the history of scientology, Deputy Commodore Hana Eltringham (now Hana Whitfield)

"The Psychiatric Times
Volume VIII, No. 6 $9.00
The Newspaper of American Psychiatry
June 1991

Prozac Frees Ex-Scientology Leader from Depression

A personal aide to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard for eight of her nearly 20 years with the group says that fluoxetine (Prozac) and therapy have finally stopped the depression and suicidal ideation she had suffered since 1976. "I have to speak out" Hana (Eltringham) Whitfield told The Psychiatric Times, "The Scientologists choose the most prominent psychiatrists and the most successful drugs to attack, That's why they attacked Ritalin, and that's why they are now attacking Prozac." "

LINK to article

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The only thing sadder than untreated psychiatric problems are untreated chronic pain patients..

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THIS IS FUCKING HILARIOUS.

I bet the Scilons are shitting themselves now. This is the most beautifully ironic thing I've read in years! It's like a Greek tragedy.

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Wonderful story. I will have sweet dreams tonight.
And its a good heads up on the benefits of lithium in natural form. Neurotransmitters are the new frontier.
Thanks Arnie for all your efforts these many years.
BTW your deposition is the ultimate pwn (as the kids would say).
Reminds me of when the judge asked Clarence Darrow, "Mr. Darrow, are you trying to show contempt for this court?"
To which Darrow replied, "No, your honor, I'm trying to hide it."

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Lithium is "Vitamin L"!

Srsly, I think Lithium can have a mild sedating effect which might explain the OT's performance on the e-meter.

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the controversy surrounding lithium orotate comes from a flawed study done in 1978 "the kidney study" where they tested rats with huge mega doses of lithium orotate.

Kidney Dangers of Lithium Orotate?

The rats were fed %700 higher doses than therapudic level.
So, when the rats kidneys were biopsied they showed damage (unsuprisingly).