Support from Christian Churches Despite whatever feelings you have about religion, it is undeniable that the Christian influence is strong in America. Christians are skilled networkers, and they can help spread word quickly. I suggest writing up (or I will write up one here, but feel free to expand or edit as you will) a forward-friendly email containing facts about Scientology and e-mailing it to many different Christian churches. I will start writing a general email an paste it here for copypasta. Look up churches in your area on the internet and email them. Ask/link them to look up sites such as Operation Clambake and other CoS criticism sites, and maybe ask them to have fliers available at their sermons. I would not suggest mentioning PC or "anonymous" to them, this may only cause suspicion, and it would be better to focus on how CoS group is damaging rather than who we are. I will have the email for general usage up soon. On another note, Myspace bulletins might attract some interest. Sounds lame, but many people read that crap all the time, and it might get attention. edited for removal of extraneous material.
This letter is to inform you and many other churches of a dangerous scam disguised as a religion. The Church of Scientology (CoS), founded in the 1950's by convicted criminal L. Ron Hubbard, is a dangerous religion that uses harmful techniques to control their members. They trick their members into financial bankruptcy, blackmail them, destroy their families and personal lives, and some of their members have died due to the CoS's stance on refusing qualified medical or psychiatric help as per their beliefs. From Xenu.net, What Scientologists believe in a nutshell: "The Church of Scientology is a vicious and dangerous cult that masquerades as a religion. Its purpose is to make money. It practices a variety of mind-control techniques on people lured into its midst to gain control over their money and their lives. Its aim is to take from them every penny that they have and can ever borrow and to also enslave them to further its wicked ends. It was started in the 1950s by a science fiction writer named L. Ron Hubbard in fulfillment to his declared aim to start a religion to make money. It is an offshoot to a method of psychotherapy he concocted from various sources which he named "Dianetics". Dianetics is a form of regression therapy. It was then further expanded to appear more like a religion in order to enjoy tax benefits. He called it "Scientology". Scientology is a confused concoction of crackpot, dangerously applied psychotherapy, oversimplified, idiotic and inapplicable rules and ideas and science-fiction drivel that is presented to its members (at the "advanced" levels) as profound spiritual truth." In addition to this, Scientologists' actions are equally reprehensible. They separate the members who work for the CoS (called "staff") up in dorms, and do not allow families to see each other or communicate, and they enforce a "no contact" order for members against non-scient relatives or friends. They deny medical or psychiatric care for members, saying that "sickness is only perceived" and the only healing needed is the Church itself. They brainwash their members into believing Scientology is the only way for them to be happy, and those who voice opposition to Scientology are harassed through lawyers, copyright infringement claims, and any number of venomous attacks. The CoS has tax-exemption status in the USA, but many European nations have denied them this due to CoS's consistent involvement in legal proceedings. If you would like to read further information on Scientologists, what they believe, and how to spread the word on why the CoS needs to be stopped, please go to http://www.xenu.net , http://www.scientology-lies.com, http://www.whyaretheydead.net/, or http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html. They are websites maintained by ex-Scientologists and anti-Scientology activists who escaped the world of the Church of Scientology, and who are now speaking out against them. If you would like to help, perhaps you could mention this to people you know, or forward this email. The Church of Scientology needs to be investigated, and only the spread of knowledge of their crimes can prompt that. -Anonymous
and please no "hurr hurr all religions teh sux hurr" that's your PERSONAL belief, lets stick to the beliefs we all have in common here. Not trying to offend anyone, as an atheist/agnostic myself, but I feel it bears mentioning
I agree to a large extent, but let's be careful not to say anything which would offend those who believe in Scientology as a religion, but are removed from or resist the Co$. They may very well believe Jesus was a pedophile, and that is not really what we're trying to change. I suggest pressing the human rights violations over beliefs; we want Christian allies to attack the Church's illegal policies, not its members.
Just remember: it's not about what they believe (Xenu, etc) but about the way the official organization behaves and the way individuals are trained to behave.
Yeah, I rethought that while writing the template. I avoided citing religious differences and focused on the illegality of their activities, it seemed too fakey otherwise. But yeah, you're right.
Yeah, point out the forced abortions and family alienation. The pedo jesus thing may get their attention, but they'll stay interested if they hear about abortions and anti-family.
to be honest, i dont think there's a rational human being or organization out there that, when confronted with the wealth of evidence against the CoS, would ever take the churches side. (note the distinction between the institution and the religion! we want the support of people like the freezone) if anyone can think of any group (not just religious) that would support the movement in any way, go ahead and get in touch with them. if nothing else, it'll create publicity. at best, we might find ourselves joined by common non-anon organizations. who might have lobbyists. who might have the ears of elected officials. who might be in a position to argue on revoking the CoS's tax exemption. thus, anon gets t3h win.
Another thing to point Christians to is the article Why Christians Object to Scientology from Christianity Today Magazine http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... /8.93.html This has some great points without resorting to the "Jesus was a pedo" line and comes from a reliable, Christian source.
Thats a very good idea, while I may dislike the religion if we could use them to our advantage it would be a great boon
I have an uncle whose a Catholic priest. I'll be calling him tonight and see if there's an effective way to get in contact with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. (Basically the governing body of Catholicism in the US). Whether that be a phone number to call or an address to send letters to - I'll keep everyone informed.
Future protests I don't know if this has been brought up before but it's probably be best to avoid having future protests on Sundays. I don't think there are many Christians who are willing to skip out on their church dates, even to protest something as dangerous and immoral as Scientology.
Re: Future protests Or... maybe a separate event for "Anonymous Christians against Scientology?" Eh? Eh? edit: vvv good call, nm
Re: Future protests Seperate events are fine but it seems to me that fewer events with more protesters would have more of an impact than more frequent protests with fewer protesters. I simply thought it would be easer to recruit Christian protesters to our cause if they don't have to choose between their faith and our protests.
I've been emailing the local Campus Crusade for Christ people and the Catholic/Anglican Dioceses since February 10th was announced. I think CC4C might be the best bet for people who live outside of the bible belt, since they tend to be a lot more... protesty than other Christian groups.
Re: Future protests Gaining a (possibly uneasy) alliance with Christians is not just about having them show up to help picket. It is also about innoculating them in advance before the top levels of scientology can appeal to the top levels of all other churches to "unite against eevul hackers on steriods from the internet hate machine" Look at Fred Phelps' Westboro Babtist Church. Even though he has "babtist" in his name, all the other churches keep a safe distance when he pickets "god hates fags" at the funerals of fallen soldiers - because he is a nutcase! Get the mainstream churches to see scientology as crackpots - ahead of time - and they will keep a safe distance.
Having their support might make us seem more legimate as well. Think what you will of Christianity, but it is the faith of many and still carries great weight even today. I'm going to see if I can call some local place tonight.
Mary ('Out of the Dark' on ARS) returned to her Christian faith after leaving the cult, and she just posted this list of references. Her final point summed up her post: "My ignorance of Christ was the key to my false belief that Scientology was compatible with Christianity." Facts about Scientology as a religion: Web sites of importance: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/ http://www.bible.ca/scientology.htm "If you ain't got money.. ...." http://www.bible.ca/scientology-christi ... mpared.htm http://contenderministries.org/scientology.php What Christians Need to Know about Scientology - by Margery Wakefield (1991) http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shel ... tians.html Why Christians Object to Scientology: http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/2000/september4/8.93.html Is Scientology compatible with Christianity? Let's ask L. Ron Hubbard http://www.skeptictank.org/compat.htm Church of Scientology Research resources, News, and News Archive http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s04a.html Bradley Woodward's Christianity and Scientology - A Comparison: http://www.ami.com.au/~bradw/cos/ Scientology and Christianity Examined http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/ The Committee on Religious Shunning http://www.religiousshunning.org Tom Cruise vs. Karen Schless Pressley-Scientology War of the Worlds http://tinyurl.com/yscl5n Scientology Comparative Religion This web site was created to promote the scholarly study of the beliefs and practices of Dianetics and Scientology http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/index.htm Scientologists & Ex-Scientologists with Christian Roots http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.c ... -with.html
flyers outside churches Quick hit on this... Posting flyers on telephone poles nearby churches or at bus stops with church access would also help raise awareness among churchgoers. The flyers should be obviously religious friendly and letting them know about stuff like breaking up of families, their claim to be the fastest growing religion on earth and the other issues that have already been mentioned. Could also put up the date for the protest too, whatever. the big thing is to get churchgoers and other "normal" folk interested in scientology and understanding the threat it poses to the community. dont post any flyers on church doors though, that's disrespectful, keep it to phone poles or whatev.
As a Christian I like this idea, but I also agree protests on a different day then Sunday would be great.
Oops, yeah, forgot about that. I'm not religious at all, so I guess I dont really know what exactly would be viewed as disrespectful, I was just thinking that churchgoers might feel their space was being invaded or something. For example, I dont know if its verboten for a gentile woman to put up a flyer on a jewish church door, but I wouldnt do it, just to be safe.
Go to church parking lots on Sundays when everyone is in services and put flyers (GENTLY) on all the car windshields. Two people can cover 3-4 churches (or more, depending on how many energy drinks you slug down) per Sunday. Get to the big churches first. Some churches also have Sunday evening services and Wednesday evening Bible studies. Make an appointment to speak to church pastors. If there are Bible college campuses in your area, go there, too. Ask to speak to the administrative offices. Explain that Scientology targets young people. One or more of their young ministry teams and/or youth groups might take up the challenge of spreading the word around the city. These are the types of community service projects they're dedicated to. Be informed, be prepared, be polite. So far, every church I've visited to give out information has been receptive. However...be prepared that this website (Enturbulation) may offend Christians because of the language and topics discussed, and they might not want to be affiliated with Anonymous. It's not a condemnation of what we are here, it's just a fact that many Christians are more conservative. So I'm not sure how to get around that. Ideas?
Let them protest alongside us, not with us. They don't have to love anonymous, they just need the same goal in mind: bringing to an end a corrupt, dangerous organization that ruins and destroys life. Also, what's their recruitment practice as far as (Christian) Churches? If we can show they've targetted God-loving Christian for their cult that would be one more great way to mobilize.
Well, I know from reading at OCMB and EXCSN that prospective members are told that they can still believe in God and that Scientology believes in God. Then when they get to the upper levels (where they're sucked in and it's too late), they lay on the "Jesus was a pedophile" bit and berate and brainwash them into renouncing their faith. I'll go try to find the one particular story that really stuck out in my mind about that. I'll check into contacting that person (and get someone to post for more personal experiences at the other ex-Scino boards) and ask for permission to put quotes on a flyer. If I recall, this person likened the experience to something like "spiritual rape." Christian churches would be all over that like white on rice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iy0HMrRcYs http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?do ... 1066150939 http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html Hubbards own voice in the above Hubbard's HCOB about "Heaven" [/quote]
In spite of a small obnoxious core group that makes too much noise, usually most Christians don't go out looking to confront other faiths over their doctrines. Unless someone gets in their face about it, the attitude is everyone is free to believe what they want. To get Christians involved, we need to emphasize the human rights abuses, the forced abortions, children being separated from parents to work in the sea org, family disconnection, and any specific instances of Co$ members being brainwashed, tortured or forced to renounce their faith. A quote about how Co$ lies and tells people they can be Co$ and *whatever* at the same time... mentions of them using a cross that is not a cross... and their statements that Jesus didn't exist, and was a homosexual pedophile are icing on the cake and should be put on any informational flyers. But it's the human suffering that will rouse them to take action.
Christian voters in this guy's district need to be fully informed about the Co$ and their activities. Big voter base. Sadly I've seen too many Christian friends support any politico who labels themselves "Christian" w/o doing much investigating. Get the word out there. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ ... #more-1794 This Queens Councilman, who is Christian but supports the cult, claims his office was ransacked b/c of his support of the cult. He claims this is not the first time his office has been broken into-but he went to the police and the NYT this time b/c, since it coincided with the cruise tape--it must be evil anti-scinos carrying out the evil.
...Are they saying Jesus gives us colds? Loving Jesus makes us sick?! O_O I don't know whether to laugh or cackle.
Don't make the mistake of painting all Christian churches with the same brush, they are varied in beliefs and attitudes, some have very active cult awareness programs ect. some couldn't care less. Several churches and prayer meetings in my area have been actively discussing this whole anon VS scientology phenomena, most agree that its a GOOD thing ( there are more anon /chans /b/tards in mainstream christian chuches than you would think) that being said getting information to local churches and their parishoners can't hurt
Informational threads on the ex-Scientology boards: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25244 http://www.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3670
I've told my mother about this as well. I sent her the link to Christianity Today and it really set a fire under her ass. Actually it pissed off all the Christians I sent it to. If you want to find a group that would be more than happy to go after then once they are informed I would strongly suggest the Baptists and the Jews. Show them how CoS mirrors the Nazi's. Show them how the German historian likened David Mascibitch to Goebbel. Then I would suggest ducking and running in a zig zag pattern till you are clear. And if possible show them the tape of them screaming "Nazi war criminal" at the woman that came to protest them from Germany.
this thread is funny! :lol: and its a great idea to broaden the campaign. i am getting to a tangent here, so ill be brief. some of you may be surprised that your notions of christians of any sect were wrong once you start going shoulder to shoulder, so to speak. the negative light is brought on by few-- so very few. ok, im done with that aside.
