The antivaxers have gone full retard

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Internet, Dec 7, 2015.

  1. anon8109 Member

    Time magazine posted this in Aug 2014

    Whistleblower Claims CDC Covered Up Data Showing Vaccine-Autism Link

    William Thompson, a senior scientist at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and one of the authors of a 2004 study published in the journal Pediatrics, spoke with Brain Hooker, who serves on the board of Focus Autism (which was founded to “put an end to the needless harm of children by vaccination and other environmental factors”), about the data that was not included in the final report. The study looked at both healthy children and those with autism, to see if there were any differences in their rates of being vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella (MMR), and found none. That suggested that childhood immunizations likely were not contributing to an increased risk of autism. Hooker and Thompson, however, discussed a subset of the 624 children with autism and 1824 without the condition who were studied and Thompson admitted that among African-American boys, the incidence of autism was higher among those who were vaccinated than among those who weren’t. But that information was not part of the paper. Thompson claims he was not aware that the discussion was being recorded, and his statements appeared in a video released on YouTube on August 22 entitled “CDC Whistleblower Revealed.”


    In a statement issued through his attorneys, Thompson says “Reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information.” He calls for transparency in the data collecting and reporting process, but says that the way that the 2004 study was presented does not negate the importance of vaccination. “I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.”
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  6. How Scientology members Inflame the Vaccine Wars.

    Hollywood Reporter: How Hollywood Stars, Trump and Scientologists Inflame the Vaccine Wars: "It's Spurious but Effective"

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    How Hollywood Stars, Trump and Scientologists Inflame the Vaccine Wars: "It's Spurious but Effective"

    by Gary Baum August 31, 2016, 3:31pm PDT


    How Hollywood Stars, Trump and Scientologists Inflame the Vaccine Wars: "It's Spurious but Effective"

    by Gary Baum August 31, 2016, 3:31pm PDT


    A notable number of the highest-profile immunization dissenters are Scientologists, from Masterson and Juliette Lewis to Jenna Elfman and Kirstie Alley. In a statement to THR, the Church of Scientology, which has a troubled public relationship with many established mental health treatments, insists it “takes no position one way or the other on this issue.” (Tabloid stories were written after the death of church member John Travolta’s 16-year-old son Jett, who was said to have been improperly treated for autism.) Yet Scientology did host a June 2015 event at one of its Los Angeles community centers where issue activists Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and biochemist Brian Hooker, Ph.D., promulgated their views ahead of California Gov. Brown’s signing of SB 277 weeks later.

    Ex-Scientologist critics observe that a mistrust of immunization, while not official doctrine, is an unsurprising consequence of members’ credence for the principles surrounding the church’s controversial cleansing “purification rundown” program, which allegedly treats drug abuse and toxic exposure. “In that school of thought, vaccines could potentially be hurtful too,” says Claire Headley. In addition, they note, members find familiarity and even righteousness in the experience of holding lonely, lambasted views. “Smugness is an understatement,” says Spanky Taylor. “It’s an arrogance.”

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  7. Scientology’s anti-vaxxer celebrities are responsible for making America sick: report.

    Raw Story: Scientology’s anti-vaxxer celebrities are responsible for making America sick: report.

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    But many celebrity skeptics share something else in common with one another: Scientology.

    The Hollywood Reporter found a noteworthy number of the highest-profile vaccine skeptics are Scientologists — including Danny Masterson, Juliette Lewis, Jenna Elfman and Kirstie Alley.

    Another prominent vaccine skeptic, Jenny McCarthy, is rumored to be involved in Scientology, which she began exploring while dating Jim Carrey — another skeptic.

    The Church of Scientology takes no official position on immunization, and practitioners do take prescribed medication and seek medical advice from doctors.

    But the organization promotes a controversial “purification rundown” cleansing program, which Scientologists use to treat drug abuse and toxic exposure.

    Some former Scientologists say could seed mistrust in vaccinations, because vaccines could also be seen as “potentially hurtful,” said ex-Scientologist Claire Headley.

    The organization also hosted an anti-vaxx event at one of its Los Angeles community centers featuring Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who believes in a link between vaccines and autism, and biochemist Brian Hooker, another immunization skeptic.

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    Face-palm at a science teacher falling for the "both sides" fallacy. (Yes, when backed by carefully checked evidence, you pillock!) And yes, you are a fucking anti-vaxxer!

    The anti-vaxxers are as bad as the "not a Scientologst but.." types.
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  10. ^In the US, I do believe there is evidence of a more deadly strain, which is so contagious it can even spread via social media such as Twitter.

    It's known as Trash-mumps, or just Trumps. It is extremely uncomfortable and the effects can linger on for months - even years.
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    This is great! Hopefully he'll Meet his Maker soon with oozing sores. Sorry for the kids tho.

  12. The Wrong Guy Member

    Russian Trolls Promoted Anti-Vaccination Propaganda That May Have Caused Measles Outbreak, Researcher Claims

    By Cristina Maza, Newsweek, February 14, 2019


    Russian propaganda may be responsible for the persistence of measles as conspiracy theories about vaccinations spread across the Internet, according to researchers.

    The same Russian trolls who attempted to provoke racial tensions and influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election were also responsible for spreading propaganda against vaccinations. Their efforts may have helped cause the measles outbreak that infected tens of thousands and killed dozens in Europe last year, researchers told Radio Free Europe.

    A 2018 report by the American Public Health Association, titled "Weaponized Health Communication: Twitter Bots and Russian Trolls Amplify the Vaccine Debate," came to a similar conclusion.

    “Whereas bots that spread malware and unsolicited content disseminated antivaccine messages, Russian trolls promoted discord. Accounts masquerading as legitimate users create false equivalency, eroding public consensus on vaccination,” the report said.

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    Measles Outbreak: How Dangerous Anti-vax Lies Are Spreading Online | Newsweek
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    I'd be curious to see where that donor money is coming from.
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    In aggregate, the CDC is estimating the current flu season’s impact through February 23, 2019, as follows:

    20,400,000 – 23,600,000 symptomatic illnesses
    9,500,000 – 11,100,000 medical visits
    252,000 – 302,000 hospitalizations
    16,400 - 26,700 flu-related deaths
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    There have been 140 cases of measles in Rockland County NY
    There have been 70 in a small county in the Pacific Northwest. These outbreaks can be virulent.
    The last few years the outbreaks are brought from outside the US into unvaccinated groups.. Amish, Somali refugees, Orthodox Jews. The disease has been imported from France, Israel, and Manila and elsewhere.
    Unvaccinated teen gets vaccinated in spite of mom’s beliefs

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  18. New York Times: Despite Measles Warnings, Anti-Vaccine Rally Draws Hundreds of Ultra-Orthodox Jews

    By Kimiko de Freytas-Tamura

    May 14, 2019

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    But the rally on Monday in Monsey, a Rockland County town about 30 miles northwest of New York City, vividly illustrated how the anti-vaccine fervor is not only enduring, but may be growing: Hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews packed a ballroom for a “vaccine symposium” with leaders of the anti-vaccination movement.

    Organized by a Monsey-based Jewish group, the event also showed how the movement was gaining ground: Greg Mitchell, a Washington-based lobbyist who represents the Church of Scientology, attended the meeting and addressed the crowd, offering to be their “voice in the public-policy game.”

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  19. Evidence that Scientology is adopting an anti-vaxx strategy, and with political aspirations

    Tony Ortega: Evidence that Scientology is adopting an anti-vaxx strategy, and with political aspirations

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    [L to r: Jonathan Lockwood, Renee Bessone, and Greg Mitchell, founders of Conscience Coalition]

    There’s a new group of Scientologists and their allies calling themselves the Conscience Coalition. It doesn’t have the official blessing of the church yet, but there’s no doubt they’re well connected with OSA, the Office of Special Affairs, which is responsible for all contact with the world outside Scientology. The stated goal of the new group is “To protect our fundamental right to freedom of conscience, which includes freedom of thought, belief and religion, is secured for every individual.”
    And you know when Scientology is that vague, it’s up to something.

    With one notable exception the members are entirely Scientologists. Follow any of them on social media and you will find photos from the Freewinds, from Flag Land Base, from Delphian Academy, and from Scientology social reform front groups. The “Chief architect, strategist and lobbyist” of the group is Greg Mitchell, a registered lobbyist for Scientology who received half a million dollars from the church over the last five years. His wife Renee Bessone is listed as the founder and chair of the organization.

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    [Coalition member Teresa Reile, unknown supporter, Joy Villa, Greg Mitchell]

    Scientology is attempting to gain access to the White House through Mitchell and pop singer Joy Villa. Bringing in a well-known conservative firebrand like Jonathan Lockwood is a smart move for opening doors to the administration. If they can gain influence they can advance the goals of their social reform groups and protect Scientology from investigation, taxation, or regulation.

    — Rod Keller

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  20. DeathHamster Member

    Jonathan Lockwood is a Koch Bro cadet and a Milo-wannabe.

    Republicans Gone Wild? March 29, 2018, Camilla Mortensen, Eugene Weekly
  21. An update from Tony Ortega:

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    And on Sunday, Rod Keller told us about Conscience Coalition, a new anti-vaxx political action group started by Scientologists including the church’s DC lobbyist, Greg Mitchell. Another of the founding members, Renee Bessone, started up an accompanying Facebook group, “United for Parental Rights & Freedoms — Scn Group Only,” and we thought you’d be interested in her post describing its purpose…




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  22. The New Yorker: The Message of Measles

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    As public-health officials confront the largest outbreak in the U.S. in decades, they’ve been fighting as much against dangerous ideas as they have against the disease.


    In May, there was an ultra-Orthodox anti-vaccination “symposium” in a ballroom in Monsey—men and women separated by a makeshift wall, Wakefield present via Skype. A Satmar rabbi, Hillel Handler, stood and suggested that the measles outbreak was an anti-Hasidic conspiracy concocted by Mayor Bill de Blasio, as a cover for diseases imported by Central American immigrants. Others equated what they called “forced vaccination” with the Holocaust.

    A representative of the Church of Scientology offered logistical help. The state’s director of epidemiology, Debra Blog, sat quietly near the front of the women’s section, but after a while, dismayed by the rhetoric of what McDonald, of the C.D.C., had taken to calling “the pro-measles movement,” she left. “I knew it was going to be bad, but not this bad,” she told me. “The speakers were terrible. I realized that if I got up to say something I was going to get hauled out of there.”

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  23. Johnathan Lockwood, Executive Director of the Scientologists backed Conscience Coalition, says Gavin Newsom "is on the verge of making a California for Pharma. Not a California for all," and calls for a global vigil.


  24. California Assemblyperson, Appropriations Chair, and Latino Caucus Chair Lorena Gonzalez responds to Johnathan Lockwood, Executive Director of the Scientologists backed Conscience Coalition. For context, Gonzalez is married to San Diego County Supervisor Nathan Fletcher.

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    by Rod Keller
    Despite protests at the capital in Sacramento against SB 276 by the Conscience Coalition, the law passed this week and was signed into law by Governor Gavin Newsom. The lobbying/protest group is led by Scientologists, and all its members appear to be members of the church. The new law is designed to prevent doctors from lying about their patients’ condition when they issue a medical exemption to the vaccines required to attend school in California.


    Susan Ochart Scientology Service Completions

    Fair Game Scientology wikipedia

  26. VIDEO: Jonathan Lockwood, Executive Director of the Scientologists backed anti-vaccine Conscience Coalition, on vaccines and government overreach.

  27. The Scientologists backed anti-vaccine Conscience Coalition has a Twitter account, @WeTheConscience, that is separate from than that of its Executive Director, Jonathan Lockwood:

  28. Rod Keller has a major story about the Conscience Coalition on Tony Ortega's website:

    Scientologist anti-vaxx group fundraises on the idea its big California loss was a win

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    [Renee Bessone‎ and Jonathan Lockwood at a Ulan Nutritional Systems symposium]

    The Scientologist-led Conscience Coalition is continuing its anti-vaxx agenda despite losing the battle in California over SB 276, which made it more difficult for doctors to lie about their patients’ condition to get a medical exemption from required school vaccinations. Other bills are being introduced to increase vaccination rates including the Vaccinate All Children Act (H.R. 2527).

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  29. Another connection between the anti-vaccine Conscience Coalition and Scientology: Through Ulan Nutrional Systems, Inc. and Dr. Freddie Ulan.

    First, consider the following tweet:


    Ulan Nutrition Response Testing "is the culmination of decades of work by Freddie Ulan, DC, CNN."

    Between them, Fred Ulan, Freddie Ulan, and Freddie & Dana Ulan have four pages of Scientology Service Completions which show that they are both Founding Patrons and Patrons of the Church of Scientology:

    In addition, WWP has a screenshots of a 1989 Impact magazine interview with Freddie Ulan, then the Executive Director of CCHR Intentional:

    First page:


    Further pulling the string, it turns out Ulan Nutritional Systems, Inc. is actually a fictitious business name for Health Improvement Systems, Inc.

    The Officers and Directors of Health Improvement Systems, Inc. are Anne Hof, Bill Johonnesson and Daniele Lattanzi.

    All of these individuals are Scientologists.

    Anne Hof has two pages of Scientology Service Completions which reflect she is on the Honor Roll of the IAS:

    Bill Johonnesson has a page of Scientology Service Completions:

    Daniele Lattanzi has a page of Scientology Service Completions:


    Graphic for tweet:

  30. VIDEO: (Non-Scientologist) Jonathan Lockwood, Executive Director of the Conscience Coalition.

  31. Triumph Member

    Freddie Ulan, Alfreddie Johnsonand Arte Maren.

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