The Great Library Survey

Discussion in 'Projects' started by themadhair, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. themadhair Member


    One of the big money making drives by the IAS has been in order to buy sets of the basics for donation to libraries. Folks like Johnny D here have given sizeable chunks of change in this endeavour. Wonder how Johnny D would feel to know that the book above ended up in a charity shop?

    So enters The Great Library Survey. Chanologists are all over the planet, and there is no reason we couldn’t gather enough hard dox to show the library donations were a scam, and to produce hard information that nowhere near the number of books have been distributed that have been claimed by the IAS.

    Each area will have to do their own coordination, but the intention to get the following information from every library we can:
    - What Scientology-related books does the library have?
    - Did that library receive a set of the basics?

    I’ll get the ball rolling.

    Ireland, County Monaghan:
    Clones: WIS book, WIS DVD.
    Monaghan: WIS DVD.
    Carrickmacross: Nothing.
    All donated books for the county are routed through Clones, and they have confirmed they have NEVER received any basics books.

    A quick visit to your local library isn’t much to ask, but everyone did it the information garnered could prove very useful. Post your info here or pm me.
  2. anonymous612 Member

    Clever. Will be back when I've checked.
  3. Anonymous Member

    I would guess that almost every public library has a catalog online. This research can all be done from the comfort of your own home.

    Step 1: get a list of library catalogs
    Step 2: search the catalogs for "Scientology" and "Hubbard"
    Step 3: ???
    Step 4: profit.
  4. xenubarb Member

    I checked the Clairemont library here. Asked about sets of books from Scientology. Guy had no idea what I was talking about.
  5. themadhair Member

    See question 2. Understand the thrust of the project. Get a clue.
    No idea where that is. You will need to give a full address. Can I take it that the library hasn't received any Scientology books? Ambiguity will only undermine this project.
  6. Anonymous Member

    Please elaborate why searching library catalogs will not get the information you are looking for.
    I don't understand why you need people to go and check the stacks themselves.
  7. themadhair Member

    Want to prove Libraries never received books. Something that is clear from the OP, and not doable online.
  8. Anonymous Member

    It's very hard to prove that a library never received the books. A library may have received them but decided not to put them on the shelf.

    If the books are not in the catalog, would that not prove that they are not on the shelf?
    Still not understanding the difference between checking the catalog online vs. the stacks in person.
  9. Anonymous Member

    Hence the whole suggestion of ASKING the library.
    Because that isn't the issue. Talk about being a moron.
  10. Anonymous Member

  11. Anonymous Member

    I checked the library in Birmingham UK (just a short walk from the scientology org) a while ago. The archaic library info system lists some scilon books but when I went to look for them, there wasn't a single one to be found. Either demand for Hubbard tech is high, or someone ditched them years ago.
  12. themadhair Member

    A lot of library systems have a centralised place that process donated books. Find that and contact them. That way you can get some idea of how many books were actually donated, which is the information I'm really after.
  13. themadhair Member

    Did you ask them if they received any donated books?
  14. anonymous612 Member

    Whether they're on the shelf is not the issue.

    Whether the library received copies at all is. Just because a library receives books doesn't mean they put them on the shelf. If I donate a bunch of porn magazines to the library they wouldn't shelve them. If I donated a book they had ten copies of they wouldn't shelve it. In a lot of cases they'd either turn down the books or throw them out because they aren't suitable (shitty condition, inappropriate content, etc) or they'd sell them at one of the library fundraisers for a few cents. The What Is Scientology? book, for instance, sells for $100 new from Barnes and Noble, but I picked it up for ten cents, because the library sells shit like that just to get rid of them. And the Scientology books would be some of the stuff they wouldn't necessarily shelve, because no one but scientologists would ever want to check them out, and other than here, there just aren't enough scientologists for it to be worth it.

    If CoS is claiming copies of the Basics were sent to X number of libraries, they aren't claiming they can be checked out from X number of libraries. They don't have any control over that. But if it turns out they weren't even SENT to X number of libraries, that means that CoS is lying. Again.

    EDIT: Which is why the OP has repeatedly said you should ASK THE LIBRARY. Which is why you need to go in person.
  15. themadhair Member

    ^ Finally someone who gets it.
  16. Anonymous Member

    No U.

    Look it up in the catalog. This can be done for almost any library.

    This is not so simple as it seems. The person you ask sitting behind the counter probably won't know.
    You have to get a hold of the right person, assuming that they even want to answer that question for you.
  17. anonymous612 Member

    Did the same thing back in '08 or so when they had that big drive to first donate all the books...actually, let me see if I still have the booklet from it, I originally got it from inside one of the Flag buildings, so it's what they were claiming to Scientologists, not to wogs.
  18. Anonymous Member

    I checked my local library's catalog and they have 151 books and tapes by hubbard. Some are his novels but most are scientology related.
  19. themadhair Member

    I'm assuming that most anons are not as useless as yourself, and will be capable of performing this relatively simple task. It seems clear that you have no intention of contributing positively to this, so kindly fuck off.
    Details? Location?
  20. anonymous612 Member

    Relevant to your interests. Also has a list of related WWP threads.

    AHA. Found the old Enturb thread. is what they were claiming.

    For people checking the libraries:

    Okay, the "recommended" Dewey Decimal code you're looking for is 299.936, except for The Way To Happiness, which is 170.44. That's if the library shelved them under religious studies (iirc) like CoS wants. There's the Intro to Scientology DVD, Dianetics: The Original Thesis, Dianetics: The Evolution of a Science, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Science of Survival, Self Analysis, Advanced Procedures and Axioms, Handbook for Preclears, Scientology: A History of Man, Scientology 8-80, Scientology 8-8008, The Creation of Human Ability, Dianetics 55!, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, The Problems of Work, Scientology: A New Slant on Life, Scientology 0-8: The Book of Basics, Introduction to Scientology Ethics, and The Way to Happiness. At least that's what the invoice claims.

    I still have the original booklet, I'll see how detailed the quotes from libraries they claim recieved books are. Maybe local anons can go call them on it.
  21. Anonymous Member

  22. Anonymous Member

    If there are no books in the library find the person(s) who deal with donated books and find out if the library ever received a set of books.
  23. Zak McKracken Member

    There are about 4 in the area.
    Presumably Barb can remember which one :/
    I suspect that the person she talked to was not aware of any such thing,
    which probably means "no". Hopefully Barb can confirm the Guy actually bothered to check.

    Clairemont Library
    2920 Burgener Blvd.
    San Diego CA 92110

    Linda Vista Library
    2160 Ulric St.
    San Diego CA 92111

    North Clairemont Library
    4616 Clairemont Dr.
    San Diego CA 92117

    Balboa Library
    4255 Mt. Abernathy Ave.
    San Diego CA 92117
  24. anonymous612 Member

    For the record, most of these photos show Directors of Special Affairs delivering the books, not PR people. Interesting.
    "Utah Library"
    Kaohsiung Public Library, Taiwan.
    Salt Lake City Main Library, Utah.
    Clearwater Public Library, FL. (the photo looks like it's the main branch. We have five CW libraries.)
    Tokyo Public Library, Japan.
    Valencia Public Library, Venezuela.
    New York Public Library System (nicely vague...considering there's 90 NYPLS libraries).
    Bedford Library, Johannesburg, South Africa.
    Hardin County District Library, Kenton, OH.
    Sebewaing Township Library, Sebewaing, MI.
    Ada Public Library, Ada, OK.
    Prairie Trails Public Library, Burbank, IL.
    Lincoln Correctional Center (lmao), Lincoln, NE.
    Potter Public Library, Potter, NE.
    Leonard Public Library, Robbins, IL.
    Crook County Library, Hulett, WY.
    Delaware Technical & Community College, Georgetown, DE.
    Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL.
  25. Anonymous Member

    Sorry but I overlooked the fact that the list included libraries located near by so not all works listed are at one library.
  26. Anonymous Member

    I used to check all the libraries in my city here in Canada including the universities and colleges for Scilon books and every one of them had a large number of their books. The only thing was someone had vandalized every one of them by glueing in flyers such as the famous Xenu one from clambake. This person also wrote in the margins some very funny comments. This was also happening to LRH's scifi books as well. Only one book had a label in it showing who donated the book. Since Canada has a small population it was very easy to find out just who this person was. Turns out this person was the ED of an org 2 provinces away and over 1000 miles away from my town. Who knows what is up with that.

    Later on I would find that all of the Scilon books were missing from the shelves of most the libraries in town. I did a check of their catalog on the computer and found various reasons for this. Some were thrown out because the vandalism was just too great and some were lent out but never returned. Scilons stealing their own books? LOL.

    Much later on I noticed at one branch that the library was selling off some Scilon books that were brand new. It seems the org was again donating more books but this branch had had enough and was selling them.

    These days the only branch that has new Scientology books is our main one and so far no vandalism although I do see flyers inserted in them from time to time. At the same time I notice that nobody ever takes them out on loan either.

    It is just my opinion but I think the local Scilons are all tapped out of money to do anymore donations at the moment. I don't blame them, they already gave to the cause so why should they go through this again.
  27. themadhair Member

  28. Anonymous Member

    CoS site:

    With the completion of translation and publication of Church Founder L. Ron Hubbard’s Basic books of Scientology, the Church initiated a project to provide all of those works to every public lending library on Earth—a project which culminated in 2010.

    The full scope of this library donation program encompassed more than 4.2 million books, CDs and DVDs to over 150 thousand libraries across 192 nations. In consequence, the Scripture of Scientology is now freely accessible to 90 percent of the world’s population, in the following languages:
  29. Anonymous Member

  30. Anonymous Member

    Having been to 8 libraries in Southern IN on a regular basis, the only $cifag book I have seen was Dianetics, and that WAS AT THE BOOK RECYCLER! IF any of these libraries (I only asked two) received any books, they used them for firewood. So far we are free of the cult's influence. Dissapointing to go there with a big stock of YFTC's and nothing to put them in!
  31. AnonLover Member

    i liek where this thread is going! And always intended to do an update on this someday...

    Scientology Library Campaign 2008 Stats Analysis (Blog)

    This angle hits a button with partially/nearly out scilons, but its the number of books actually on the shelf thats sets 'em off - Straightup Evidence of their donoations to past campaigns = FAIL

    Thus I liek disproving the related acilon propaganda website that i've archived these stats from (need new ones)

    Scientology Library Campaign Stats World Map Update Oct 2009 (Feb 2009)
    Scientology Library Campaign Stats Details Update Oct 2009 (Feb 2009)
  32. Anonymous Member

    Moar details plox. Ask about what books they have received.
  33. Anonymous Member

    This is a good idea.

    However.. . ..

    Just bear in mind, particulary with regard to that lovely HBGary "security expert" who got pwned after allegedly identifing anonymous by working out what town they live in and who their real-life friends are, that some nasty people would love to know where you local library is, if they don't know already.
  34. xenubarb Member

    No, just the guy behind the desk knew nothing. I have to go back when a senior librarian is there. I will do that.
  35. themadhair Member

    Hence the option of pm-ing me. Or, if you don't trust me, you could always pm a mod. If you don't trust the mods then you can always get a 10minutemail through a proxy and email me on
    I appreciate that.
  36. DeathHamster Member

    It seems that the whole donate to libraries thing started while Hubbard was still alive (but in hiding).

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