This is just awful:88 confederate flags stolen from cemetery

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Johnny_Reb_1865, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. Correction:

    That was Sherman's idea.
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  2. Random guy Member

  3. Random guy Member

    Confederate group requests permission to hold parade in Martinsburg

    So, basically, the SVC plan to ride through the streets with motorbikes flying the rebel anti civil rights version of the ANV flag as an historic celebration of the stars and bars? Riiiiight.

  4. I can't see the article but I must say that from the article quote you posted it sounds like they plan on marching and being joined by the SCV Mechanized Calvary displaying all of the flags of the CSA.

    (They're like a motorcycle club within the SCV)

    This is funny to me because of all of the many, many, different designs used by the different armies.

    It's almost impossible to have ALL of the flags in one place! :)

    You should get the Confederate Veteran if you want to see it from the inside.
  5. I wouldn't use the term "The Stars And Bars" for this flag Rand.


    This is the actual "Stars And Bars."


    It was the first national flag.
  6. I don't really know what to make of Grant but I must say that he was very kind to let the defeated Confederate soldiers have something to eat after the surrender.

    (Many of them had gone for weeks with little food.)

    He also ordered his men not to cheer when they passed by.

    Joshua L. Chamberlain the hero of Little Round Top ordered his men to do a salute when General Gordon's men passed them.

    General Sherman on the other hand just burned shit.

    Military and Civilian targets.

    Not to mention what went on in the country side during his march to the sea.

    I really don't want to say what all he let his men do.

    It burns me up inside.

    (No pun intended)
  7. Random guy Member

    That's why I called it the ANV-flag. The flag above need a concise name. Can I stick to "rebel flag", would that be a term that unambiguously refer to the non-naval rectangular saltire flag?

    The thing is, these guys want to honour the creation of the 1st Confederate flag (i.e. "Stars and bars") by flying "other flags" (which will boil down to the flag above, as it's the only one commercially available an any quantity). And they plan to do that by riding motorcycles through main street.

    For a re-enactment group using "mechanized cavalry" for a 19th century historical marking is ... peculiar to say it the least. Flying a different flag than the one they actually say they celebrate is also an ... interesting choice.

    Again, the lack or wilful ignorance into how this looks from the outside is astonishing.
  8. Random guy Member

    You should see how Eastern Europe looked after the Germans had learned the "scorched earth" tactics from the Russians and applied with German thoroughness when withdrawing 1944/45.
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  9. I've seen it.

  10. I actually agree here.

    If they want to do something about all of the flags why not do something like the (I think it's called the tattoo forgive me if i'm wrong) European Military tradition?

    Do you understand what I mean?

    It would be cool to do something like that here.
  11. It does have a concise name, when your talking about a non-naval flag (AKA infantry) your talking about the AOT battle flag.

    BTW: A while back you asked me if Ben was in the AOT...he wasn't.

    Ben was in the ANV under General Wise.

    They're not all reenactors, the SCV "mechanized cavalry" is like a motorcycle club for members of the SCV that like to ride bikes.
  12. Random guy Member

    A tattoo would be cool (I've actually been in one). What I would have done was having a large portable 1st pattern Stars and Bars made, get some people in historic garb (civilians and some of those fancy early war uniforms) and a marching band (period if possible), perhaps some people on horseback if available and have an historic march down the street, perhaps round it off with an open barbecue with free hotdogs for the children and round it off with a dance or something.

    That is, if my intentions was to mark the creation of the first flag in a friendly manner.
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  13. The Internet Member

    Free food is a good idea.

    Still I think you would need a few house slaves on hand to cook and fetch the burgers. Leaving them out is strange.
  14. Rand,

    That would have been better.
  15. Random guy Member

    Somehow I think it will be hard to get some black folks t re-enact slaves...
  16. The Internet Member

    SCV + blackface will do. Maybe one of the SCV wives could be Harriet Tubman. Just use some stage makeup to make one of her eyes look messed up, due to the beating she got from her Master. She can serve lemonade. You don't need two eyes for that.
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  17. The SCV would never in a billion years think of doing something like that.

    I'm sorry that this happened to Mrs. Tubman, really I am (believe it or not) but being sorry won't change the fact that this happened.

    On another note, a while back you posted that you'll have to add the SCV to your list of people that hate our freedoms.

    I must make you aware that the SCV has many combat veterans within it's membership.

    Can we just try to get along here please?
  18. The SCV wouldn't even think of doing something like this.

    However the tattoo would be wonderful to do.
  19. The Internet Member

    So how are you going to include and get along with black folks in your civil war re-enactments and celebrations?
  20. Random guy Member

    Having a number of X-soldiers in your ranks isn't proof of anything else than that you have X-soldiers in your rank. Veterans are like everyone else, with a range of opinions and behaviours. I'd expect a bit more shell-shock among veterans than among the general population though.
  21. The Internet Member

    It's good you include black people. Once black people in general love you and are not afraid of you, you will have my blessing. I think you have a lot of work to get there though.

    We are one big family of north and south and people from everywhere and we are going to stay that way. Too many died in violence along the way in the struggle to become what we we are. We can't turn back now.
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  22. Random guy Member

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  23. This is the same way that I feel about all of this, there is no need for all of this hate towards our fellow man/woman.
    The SCV is not as bad as you make them to be... I haven't met a group of people that looked after each other more, cared for the local community more.
    Never in all of my days have I met more kinder people than the SCV.
    I hope that one day Dr. King's dream of "the table of brotherhood" can be realized, maybe one day we can all get along regardless of what flag we wave and regardless of skin color.
    I just want to let you know that what you said about the SCV in blackface isn't how we see black folks as a race.
    And as a wise man from Ireland said "You cannot judge a race" this is what we mean when we say "Heritage Not Hate."
    Too many good people died for us to keep hating each other 150 YEARS AFTER THE FACT so can we just honor the dead regardless the uniform?

    The Blue and Gray

    by Francis Miles Finch
    By the flow of the inland river,
    Whence the fleets of iron have fled,
    Where the blades of the grave-grass quiver,
    Asleep are the ranks of the dead:
    Under the sod and the dew,
    Waiting the judgment-day;
    Under the one, the Blue,
    Under the other, the Gray.

    These in the robings of glory,
    Those in the gloom of defeat,
    All with the battle-blood gory,
    In the dusk of eternity meet:
    Under the sod and the dew,
    Waiting the judgment-day,
    Under the laurel, the Blue,
    Under the willow, the Gray.

    From the silence of sorrowful hours
    The desolate mourners go,
    Lovingly laden with flowers
    Alike for the friend and the foe:
    Under the sod and the dew,
    Waiting the judgment-day,
    Under the roses, the Blue,
    Under the lilies, the Gray.

    So, with an equal splendor,
    The morning sun-rays fall,
    With a touch impartially tender,
    On the blossoms blooming for all:
    Under the sod and the dew,
    Waiting the judgment-day,
    Broidered with gold, the Blue,
    Mellowed with gold, the Gray.

    So, when the summer calleth,
    On forest and field of grain,
    With an equal murmur falleth
    The cooling drip of the rain:
    Under the sod and the dew,
    Waiting the judgment-day,
    Wet with the rain, the Blue,
    Wet with the rain, the Gray.

    Sadly, but not with upbraiding,
    The generous deed was done,
    In the storm of the years that are fading
    No braver battle was won:
    Under the sod and the dew,
    Waiting the judgment-day,
    Under the blossoms, the Blue,
    Under the garlands, the Gray.

    No more shall the war cry sever,
    Or the winding rivers be red;
    The banish our anger forever
    When they laurel the graves of our dead!
    Under the sod and the dew,
    Waiting the judgment-day,
    Love and tears for the Blue,
    Tears and love for the Gray................

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  24. Ann O'Nymous Member

    IMHO, the same can be said about the old mafia.

    Wife-beating US politician recorded during 911 call was also active in trying to re-instate the Confederate flag outside government buildings in South Carolina that they voted to take down after the Charleston church massacre by white supremacist Dylann Roof.
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  26. RightOn Member

    ^ Only a $20,000. bond? :eek:
    That of which he only has to cough up $2,000? :mad:
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  27. stfu you colored piece of shit,you don't deserve to wear that uniform you fucking coward.cracker my ass you fucking mexicunt.
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  28. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    Thank you for the opportunity to say hi there to a troll. Post under your account or STFU
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  29. The Internet Member

    Bismillah! You suck at spotting a believer, my dearest infidel. Inshalla, you will learn.
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  30. The hell was that about?
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  31. This is how liberals Troll:

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  32. White Tara Global Moderator

    There are genuine long standing preservationists, who to a certain extent I share concern with about the wholesale destruction of historic artifacts. That of course does not include monuments brought to life as KKS points out during the Jim Crow era (epic redneck trolling right thar) The genuine preservationists would do well to appoint a spokesperson, or crowdfund a PR person to definitively distance their movement from the alt-right/neo-nazi/kkk mob who are bootstrapping themselves to the preservationists for coverage.

    Hell it may well be too late for separating the causes, but the bigots and cowards will not win this, and the preservationists are about to go down with them as collateral damage if they don't take drastic action to identify themselves and keep themselves apart from the barbarians. I am a big fan of taking the removed statues and placing them appropriately in museums. However the more out of control the fascists make this thing, the more likely the statues and monuments will be torn down knee-jerk style and destroyed rather than preserved as items of historic value contextualized in museums.

    TL/DR Its all fucked up :oops:

    EDIT: Apologies for being slightly off topic, I have quoted it into the Heather Heyer thread, but really its a plaintive cry in the dark and could fit pretty much anywhere at this point, shits so fucked up.
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