Village Voice: The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology

Discussion in 'Media' started by Sponge, Aug 5, 2011.

  1. Rinder in that article, re his moral and legal responsibility to report crimes to law enforcement:
    Apparently this 'law' thing is just an opinion.

    Anyway, he's a busy man who doesn't have time to answer for his own actions.
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  2. Anonymous Member

    I honestly can't make out if Rinder says "David Leblow" out of contempt or is a permanent malapropism.
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  3. Anonymous Member

    Yeah water-under-the-bridge doesn't really cut it. Bunker spins the decision on Rinder's behalf, though to be fair he's more likely to know the true state of remorse / lack thereof than any of us having met with and interviewed the guy.

    I guess Rinder's afraid to implicate himself but there must be some sort of whistle-blower immunity or consideration made if he decided to voluntarily dig the skeletons out of the OSA closet.

    While enjoying his dubious freedom he's at least using it to work against the church.

    greater_good.jpg ? :-/
  4. Anonymous Member

    If a criminal complaint were sworn out against him, law enforcement would have to act. I suggest anyone who can do so, get on with it.
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  6. Anonymous Member

    He did hint at the idea that he has already made statements to authorities about his involvement. He just doesn't want to lay it all out for us to read. Maybe his lawyer advised him to handle it that way publicly, while co-operating privately. Short of an auto-biography or someone viably filing freedom of information on the issue I guess we won't know.
  7. Anonymous Member

  8. Or maybe he couldn't give a fuck and he's done nothing at all.

    Or maybe his role as perpetrator rather than simply witness means he'll never admit he did anything wrong. Like Nixon.
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  9. Anonymous Member

    He thinks that no one will go after him. Plus, he still has that cult-think going on.

    Guess what, Rinder? What others think about you DOES matter and your Aristotelian Situational Ethics won't save you when the time comes.
    If I could swear out a complaint myself right now, I'd do it.

    I don't see how his complicity in the cover-up of the Lisa McPherson matter can be overlooked by law enforcement... I guess one of our lawyers could better say.

    PS. Bunker has metamorphosed into an unabashed apologist for M&M. Don't tell anyone.
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  12. Anonymous Member

    Has anyone seen this man? He is an amnesia victim; if found, please send to nearest police station.

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  13. Anonymous Member

    Mike needs a Ted Patrick-style deprogramming, and pronto.
  14. Anonymous Member

    I tend to agree with you. It's just a speculation, but I don't think that suddenly Rinder grew a conscience. I simply think that at some point he felt that he'd had enough of the dwarf's beatings.
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  15. Or needed a good meal.
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  16. Random guy Member

    I must confess I'm less than thrilled at this instalment on the list. From what I have seen and read, Rinder strikes me a a particularly slippery customer. I'd trust him as far as I can throw him (and he's big guy). His refusal to come up with a public apology is worrisome, not to say disrespectful to his many former victims (including WBM).

    Then again, Tony O's list is no an Anonymous' popularity-list. The question is: Does he help cripple the cult, and I think the answer is yes. Both his contribution to the Truth Rundown series and his many appearances on Australian TV have been major contributors to the problems the cult is now facing. Has his contribution been so great it justify his place at number 8? Well, I guess it depends on perspective. I see this from the perspective of a not particularly brave online grunt. To me, other X'es (e.g. Jeff Hawkins) and ballsy journalists looms higher. Tony O seem to me to know a lot more of what goes on in the background though, which I guess explains him having a very different perspective.

    I guess we'll see. I still enjoy the countdown enormously!
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  17. Anonymous Member

    Absolutely. It's not a popularity contest, but a journalist's admittedly subjective perspective on who's being a thorn in the cult's side, past and present.

    I don't think anyone here would stand up as a character witness for Hubbard or DM, but neither would anybody here deny that they both need to be pretty fucking high on that list.
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  18. Anonymous Member

    Ortega's hit most of 'em on the head. That's good enough for me.
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  19. tikk Member

    I'm no fan of Mike or Marty (and made that much pretty clear in this entry's comments) but given the criteria for the list both deserve to be pretty high. I would guess that Mike and Marty have pulled out more high-paying publics over the last year or so than all of criticdom combined to this point. Realize that I didn't say "ex-members," I'm talking about a much more important subset--Mike and Marty have the ability to attract the people in Scientology that matter most to its bottom line, that being far-along-the-bridge publics who pay tens and hundreds of thousands into the CoS. Money flying out the door is a bigger problem for the CoS than worldwide picketing because they've been able to handle controversy over and over again. But the party will eventually die out without money. And Mike and Marty have had more to do with that than anyone else.
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  20. amaX Member

    It is no great achievement that Rinderburn are attracting the greedy, uncaring, rich, public scientologists into their moneysucking scientology 2.0 scam. Those two are just waiting at the exit for the scientologists who are no longer getting what they want from Miscavige.

    It's a damned good thing that the recently new indie scis don't hang around Rinderburn for long.
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  21. RightOn Member

    Tikk I think COS is the most repsonsible for the most people leaving. If you take into account the mass exodus from the 80's and '90s there were an awful lot of people that left before M & M ever did.
    I am not saying that they are not responsible for people leaving today, but I think DM "takes the cake" for being the mass exodus king for the past and also present years.
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  22. Anonymous Member

    Who are the top 7 Sci enturbulaters?

    Rathbun, Cruise, Chanology/Anonymous, Miscavige and LRH are gimmes.

    Who are the last 2??? - the SeaOrg, the Interwebz, Ozzume Australia? They don't really fit TO's pattern though......

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  25. Definitely. Plus SP Times was clearly hinted at.
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  26. tildacity Member

    Betrayal is always the cruelest cut.
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  27. Are you actually starting to empathise with ex-Scientologists now? That's progress.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Ex-scientologists owe the cult nothing, and Anonymous, even less.

    You are in for a very large surprise when the whip comes down.
  29. Sam Urai Member

    Here's my guesses for the remainder of the list (pretty much what I had previously, but I think I now have a decent idea of what the final order will be):

    7. Marty Rathbun
    6. Tom Tobin and Joe Childs (SP Times)
    5. Mark Bunker
    4. Anonymous
    3. Tom Cruise
    2. David Miscavige
    1. L. Ron Hubbard

    Also, I wouldn't rule out Tommy Davis making an appearance as well.
  30. Anonymous Member

    That's what Hubbard said to Miscavige as the little dwarf put a syringe full of Vistaril into the old mans ass.
  31. adhocrat Member

    So those are the new slang term for penis and semen.
    Learn something new everyday.
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  32. Anonymous Member

    Miscavige has no balls, or he'd have been on TV crushing SPs at least once in the past 7 years or however (when WAS his last TV interview????)

    No balls means semen production is unlikely.
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  33. Sam Urai Member

    That would be ABC's Nightline in 1992.
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  34. Anonymous Member

    9 years since he had the balls to sit on a multi-cushioned TV studio seat... that's the "dauntless, defiant, resolute" dwarf we all know and love...
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  35. subgenius Member

    I'm terrible at arithmetic but I think its 19 years....
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  36. Anonymous Member

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  37. Anonymous Member

    Bunker is not "the dean of old-time critics". Maybe no one is, but he certainly isn't. I pre-date his time against the cult.
  38. Anonymous Member


    'I had to admit that Bunker's announcement that he had secretly given technical help as Rathbun began his blog in 2009 was a big surprise. But Bunker says it shouldn't have been. "I've always been supportive of the Free Zone. They still believe in the tech, which I don't believe in. But what does it matter to me what they believe in if they're not abusing anybody? My position in most of the 10 plus years I've been doing this -- and it wasn't my thinking at the very beginning, but one I came to eventually -- was that I never have a problem with individual Scientologists. The people who came to me at protests and tried to bait me and yell at me, I never considered them an enemy. People ask me how am I so calm when I run into these people who call me an evil criminal -- it was never my feeling that I need to attack them back."'

    Bunker, you've missed a really major point: the Tech and all the Hubbardisms springing from it ARE abuse.

    Scientology is a plagiaristic fraud and a rather transparent pyramid scheme.
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  39. Squirrel King Member

    But I think Bunker's story is similar to many of ours:
    1) Don't know anything about the cult
    2) Get bits and pieces about it raising curiosity
    3) Meet people in the cult who behave strangely
    4) Begin to learn what is going on inside
    5) Are disconnected with friends or are "fair gamed" for our comments
    6) Begin to take action
  40. Squirrel King Member

    Agreed. I find it hard to believe he does not know this. Marty's wants to rebuild the Church with out the abuse, but you cannot. The OSA, RPF, "Fair Game", SPs, "Always Attack", etc... these are all part of the One Source's sacred blatherings and if the Church continues.
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